Possible Neurological Issue?

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Possible Neurological Issue?

Postby DrachKahla » Mon Feb 17, 2020 11:22 am

Hi all, I'm new here. We have 2 beardies; Drach is a little over a year old and possibly a German Giant, while Kahla is around 3 or 4 months old and we believe he may be a citrus. They're in separate enclosures, obviously. :)
Kahla is an adoption, as he has some sort of disorder. I don't believe it to be "stargazing" as he doesn't do that; it's more like he has extremely limited muscle control and "faints" when touched. He also sleeps 23 hours a day...on his back.
I hand feed him in a separate container to ensure he eats. He's a very good eater but isn't growing as fast as Drach did at that age, but as noted before, Drach is possibly a G.G. Kahla's grown maybe a third of his length in the month we've had him.
He was at the vet before he came to us but they refused xrays or bloodwork, citing it as "probably mbd." Having worked with him every day since we got him, I don't believe this to be true. He seems to have something more like MS in humans.
Has anyone had any experience with neurological issues in beardies? Or have any ideas of what else we can do for him? I'm in South Central PA and haven't found a very with enough experience to trust yet. He IS growing, eats well, and doesn't seem to be suffering in ANY way.
Thanks, guys, it's great to be here!
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Here are 2 pictures of what I mean by "faints"
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Drach_Kahla said: ↑
Here are 2 pictures of what I mean by "faints"
Please take this post to this forum and have some very experienced dragon owners and a vet from Texas look at him post what you have posted here and the pics of Drach -- they can help you more than I can - dragons should not sleep on their backs they cannot breath-- the vet mod there name is Tracie Drache613 she is usually on at nite - also AHBD is also experienced and she will probably chime in on this as well - please post what your using for a UVB - basking temps etc ------------- give them as much info as you can -
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It's Kahla with the issues, not Drach. Which forum? I don't see a link or mention of a particular area. Thanks!
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Drach_Kahla said: ↑
It's Kahla with the issues, not Drach. Which forum? I don't see a link or mention of a particular area. Thanks!
www.beardeddragon.org
You can post under ER if you like -- sorry I was under the impression it was Drach -
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To answer lighting questions, they both have Reptisun 10's with reflectors that are on from 9am to 8pm and ceramic heat emitters that are on 24/7
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Drach_Kahla said: ↑
To answer lighting questions, they both have Reptisun 10's with reflectors that are on from 9am to 8pm and ceramic heat emitters that are on 24/7
coil or tube? Do you have bright white basking bulbs ? or just the ceramic heat emitters?
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Tube. Of course they have white basking bulbs!
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Drach_Kahla said: ↑
Tube. Of course they have white basking bulbs!
ok have you posted on the beardeddragon.org forum yet?
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No, I thought you meant another forum on this page. I'll try that
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Re: Possible Neurological Issue?

Postby CooperDragon » Mon Feb 17, 2020 2:43 pm

It could be muscular dystrophy. Some dragons have shown issues with that. Can you post some photos and maybe videos? You can upload photos here https://www.beardeddragon.org/useruploads/ and post them using the XIMG button when you reply. Videos can be uploaded to a hosting site like vimeo and then linked here.
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Re: Possible Neurological Issue?

Postby DrachKahla » Mon Feb 17, 2020 9:32 pm

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I don't have any videos; these 3 pictures were taken about a week after he came to us. He's about a third larger now and it's been a month or so.

Is there anything we can do to help him if it's ms? He's already hand fed and I do range of motion pt with him three times aweek
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Re: Possible Neurological Issue?

Postby Wickedpogana » Mon Feb 17, 2020 11:37 pm

Poor baby 😰I hope you and your beardie get the help your looking for
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Re: Possible Neurological Issue?

Postby DrachKahla » Tue Feb 18, 2020 9:46 am

Wickedpogana wrote:Poor baby 😰I hope you and your beardie get the help your looking for


Thank you! Other than looking overly dramatic he seems to be alright. The hardest thing so far is trying to keep him upright; he seems to go in a trance when flipped over (like a gator) so he can't right himself and just goes to sleep.
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Re: Possible Neurological Issue?

Postby Claudiusx » Tue Feb 18, 2020 8:31 pm

Typically when they are on their back they have trouble breathing. They dont have a diaphragm like we do. So that could explain why he acts like that on his back. I would right him any time you see him like that.

Poor fella really is in rough shape.

That's great that he has an appetite. These guys truly are fighters.

What does his daily diet consist of? Quantities?
What is your supplement schedule like for him?

It's too bad the vet didnt do bloodwork. I dont really like its MBD either but it could be, or at least also be present.

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Re: Possible Neurological Issue?

Postby Drache613 » Wed Feb 19, 2020 1:15 am

Hello,

Poor guy, he is probably frustrated over it all too!
You are using the Reptisun 10 tube bulb T8, or the T5 high output tube bulb? How far from
him is it placed & is it on top of or underneath of the screen top?
I would try to lower the lights down to him, to accommodate the distances so he can bask
directly on the bottom of the tank so he doesn't flip himself over.
Can you post some pictures of his tank setup so we can see how everything is all setup for
him?
He may have had an issue trying to hatch out, that can happen or he may have some calcium
or other nutritional deficiencies. We do see that sometimes, with youngsters which grow very
rapidly. They deplete their stores & the body can't keep up. He is too small to have blood
drawn, but, they should have done an x-ray on him though.
Try to keep him from laying on his back. As stated earlier, they really can't breathe very well
in that position.

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Re: Possible Neurological Issue?

Postby DrachKahla » Thu Mar 05, 2020 12:00 pm

Sorry I haven't updated, I've been quite busy with appointments and such.
Sad to say that Kahla passed Tuesday morning; he was not responding to any treatments and stopped eating completely. The vet was able to make his transition quick and painless. Oddly I'm not terribly upset about this; I think I just find comfort in knowing we did all we could for him and he didn't spend his last month in a pet store (he was an adoption from my husband's store that came in in poor shape - the breeder refused to help or accept a return, so we took him to try to help him) or having been ignored by a breeder who didn't care.
Thank you to all who responded with help and words of encouragement ❤
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Re: Possible Neurological Issue?

Postby Drache613 » Fri Mar 06, 2020 2:02 am

Hello,

I am very sorry that little Kahla passed. :cry: It is so devastating when they are so young
though but at least he wasn't alone when he needed someone. I am sorry for your loss.

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