Unhappy Juvenile

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Unhappy Juvenile

Postby Deabrua » Tue Mar 26, 2019 6:45 pm

My beardy is 7 months old as of yesterday and has been rather unhappy lately. Throws a fit in her tank, what she used to do to come out, but immediately wants back in her tank when taken out. When i go to place her back in, she tries to climb onto lid of the tank or up my arm. She has not been interested in crickets for at least a week or two, preferring her greens or simply not eating if I only give her crickets. She didnt poop for awhile but then she had a large dump two days in a row after a warm bath prior to the first day, that being said her belly still feels rather full even though she hasnt been eating. Her temps have been lower because I had to put the lid back on her tank after she made her first escape attempt ever, but idk what to do in those regards because temps are the same whether I use a 50W or 100W basking bulb for her 20G tank (its large enough for her, 30x12x12 and shes 11 inches).
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Re: Unhappy Juvenile

Postby Gormagon » Tue Mar 26, 2019 7:34 pm

A 20 gallon tank is not large enough for a 6 month old dragon, she is feeling boxed in. Sounds like she's telling you she's ready for a bigger house.
What kind of top are you using? A screen top shouldn't lower temps in a 20 gallon tank.
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Re: Unhappy Juvenile

Postby Deabrua » Wed Mar 27, 2019 2:16 am

The tank is nearly 3ft, she has plenty of room to move. The screen top drops temps about 5-7F.
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Re: Unhappy Juvenile

Postby KarrieRee » Wed Mar 27, 2019 5:43 am

What kind of UVB? And yes you are going to have to upgrade that tank to a bigger one--it is recommended a 75-120 gallon for a adult dragon to get to their potential
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Re: Unhappy Juvenile

Postby Gormagon » Wed Mar 27, 2019 6:12 am

Deabrua wrote:The tank is nearly 3ft, she has plenty of room to move. The screen top drops temps about 5-7F.

I have a 20g long setting next to me and, they are great for babies (1 to 4 months) but, my 4 1/2 month old "Charlie" wouldn't fit in it on a bet. He is 16" long and, loves to run and, play. I couldn't imagine putting him in a 30"x11" box, that is not enough floor space even for an 11" dragon. A 40g breeder is 36x18x18, dragons love to climb and run around exploring. Without this kind of enrichment, they get restless or, bored. Can you post a pic of her and, her viv?

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When you posted about tank sizes in october last year, your dragon was 10 to 11 inches then, she has to be bigger now or the smaller tank has slowed her growth.
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Re: Unhappy Juvenile

Postby claudiusx » Wed Mar 27, 2019 6:28 am

Deabrua wrote:but idk what to do in those regards because temps are the same whether I use a 50W or 100W basking bulb for her 20G tank (its large enough for her, 30x12x12 and shes 11 inches).

What are you measuring your temps with?

Putting any type of top on a tank would keep the heat in, not cool it down. Unless putting the screen on causes you to now be placing your basking bulb up higher, or on the screen which I imagine is the case since your tank is only 12 inches tall.

I'm going to 3rd the notion that you should look into a bigger tank. A lot of times petco has a $1 per gallon coupon you can get. Then your looking at less than 50 bucks for a nice sized 40g breeder.
Realize that at 30x12 your tank has 360 sq inches of floor space. For 50 bucks a 40g breeder almost doubles that floor space to 648 sq inches. Thats a much worthwhile upgrade IMO.

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Re: Unhappy Juvenile

Postby Deabrua » Wed Mar 27, 2019 11:16 am

She has a 22" T5 HO 10.0 UVB and currently the 50W basking bulb since the 100W burnt out in merely 2 months. I think the dome might be the problem. Each light is sitting about 10 inches from her fav basking spot on a log a couple inches above the floor of the tank.

She was only 5.5 inches in october when she was 2 months old. She is currently 7 months old and just over 11 inches.

Temps measured with acurite therm.

The 40G breeders are FAAAAR more expensive than $50 where I am. $120 minimum. The last time there was a $1/gal deal in my area, it didnt apply to any tank above 29G

My tank is 30x12x12 vs 40G at 36x18x18.

She is definitely getting a new tank, but I was holding off for another month or two so she could have a 48x24x24 instead of simply going to 36x18x18.
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Re: Unhappy Juvenile

Postby KarrieRee » Wed Mar 27, 2019 11:24 am

Petco or Petsmart are the ones that sell for $1 per gallon not sure which one- but you definitely want a bigger tank ---- -- that is a 120 gallon? that would be great----
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Re: Unhappy Juvenile

Postby claudiusx » Wed Mar 27, 2019 11:28 am

Are you in the states?
https://www.petco.com/shop/en/petcostore/category/dollar-per-gallon-sale/large-aqueon-aquariums-sale

Deabrua wrote:My tank is 30x12x12 vs 40G at 36x18x18.


Yeah i know but like i said, thats a difference of almost double the floor space.

Are you going to be building the 4x2x2?

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Re: Unhappy Juvenile

Postby Deabrua » Wed Mar 27, 2019 11:28 am

KarrieRee wrote:Petco or Petsmart are the ones that sell for $1 per gallon not sure which one- but you definitely want a bigger tank ---- -- that is a 120 gallon? that would be great----
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Neither offer 40G breeder for less than $120 near me. I cant remember which one had the $1/gal sale but they wouldnt apply said sale above their 29G tanks.

Yes, I will be building the 4x2x2. That sale is in store only and not available at any of the ones near me.
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Re: Unhappy Juvenile

Postby Aaradimian » Wed Mar 27, 2019 12:22 pm

At 7 months, it could also be something akin to teen tantrums, which they get over eventually.
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Re: Unhappy Juvenile

Postby Deabrua » Fri May 24, 2019 8:32 pm

Aaradimian wrote:At 7 months, it could also be something akin to teen tantrums, which they get over eventually.


Teen tantrums. Yup. I get it now.
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Re: Unhappy Juvenile

Postby kingofnobbys » Sat May 25, 2019 1:50 am

Deabrua wrote:The tank is nearly 3ft, she has plenty of room to move. The screen top drops temps about 5-7F.

20 US Gal = 75 litres.

Your dragon at 6 months old needs a tank at least 3x longer than it is and 2x wider than it is long to allow it room to move around and to thermoregulate.
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Re: Unhappy Juvenile

Postby kingofnobbys » Sat May 25, 2019 1:57 am

Deabrua wrote:She has a 22" T5 HO 10.0 UVB and currently the 50W basking bulb since the 100W burnt out in merely 2 months. I think the dome might be the problem. Each light is sitting about 10 inches from her fav basking spot on a log a couple inches above the floor of the tank.

She was only 5.5 inches in october when she was 2 months old. She is currently 7 months old and just over 11 inches.

Temps measured with acurite therm.

The 40G breeders are FAAAAR more expensive than $50 where I am. $120 minimum. The last time there was a $1/gal deal in my area, it didnt apply to any tank above 29G

My tank is 30x12x12 vs 40G at 36x18x18.

She is definitely getting a new tank, but I was holding off for another month or two so she could have a 48x24x24 instead of simply going to 36x18x18.


Your dragon will likely live for about 10 years unless there is a health issue. Do it a favour and buy a good sized tank for it's forever home now , I recommend a TIMBER tank 4ft x 2ft square with front sliding glass doors , I'd avoid those stupid glass tanks with mesh tops flogged by pet shops as they are hopelessly inefficient thermally and simply junk.

If a good timber tank sets you back a few hundred dollars - so what , consider it an investment .. If you aren't willing to spend the money to give your pet a good home , maybe you should not have a dragon.
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Re: Unhappy Juvenile

Postby KarrieRee » Sat May 25, 2019 6:18 am

Yes I recommend a bigger tank I am hoping you can get her in to the 4x2x2 tank that is a 120 gallon- Zen Habitats sells nice tanks too but they are now around $329 last I looked - I have one and got mine for $269 w/ shipping that was last Dec -- and there is no substrate shield on mine as I use tile for substrate - just another idea for you --- you want to get a tank w/ doors that open from the front - they are easier to clean etc
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