Giving Alpurinal for Gout during Brumation

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Giving Alpurinal for Gout during Brumation

Postby RockyTurner » Sat Jan 05, 2019 10:41 am

Hi. I think that you Drache613 gave me some info when I first found out my dragon had Gout. Well, Roxy is now over 1 year old, she is on the maximum dose of Alpurinal. I tried to back off to see if she could go without it, and her limbs swelled like crazy. So, right now I am completely stressing because she is acting like she wants to brumate. She went off food almost two weeks ago, pooped more frequently... normal poop which is pretty runny- I have had her stool checked multiple times and it has always been good- quit wanting to sit under her mercury lamp basking and now sits on her rock under the heat lamp. She does want to snuggle and sleep more often, but wakes up everyday and crawls from under her rock to come out and sit under her heat lamp. She LOVES to eat, but of course right now she just looks at the food like she wants it, then licks her lips and that is it. I am continuing her Alpurinal and her feet/toes have almost returned to their normal “for Roxy” size. Do you have any info on giving the Alpurinal even while she is “brumating”?
I do see my exotic vet on Tuesday, but the gout/Alpurinal thing in beardies is fairly new for him.
Thank you for any help or advice you can offer😊
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Re: Giving Alpurinal for Gout during Brumation

Postby CooperDragon » Sat Jan 05, 2019 3:32 pm

I'm guessing here - if she does slow her system down for brumation, then she may not need the medication for a little while since her kidneys aren't processing as much. Since she's still eating a bit though and since her joints swelled up without the meds, I'd keep her on them as much as possible. Certainly double check with your vet but for now I'd keep her on them and if she does go to sleep for brumation (or really slow down a lot and stop eating almost completely) then it would be tougher to give her the meds and I'd watch her closely without them for a bit.
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Re: Giving Alpurinal for Gout during Brumation

Postby Drache613 » Sat Jan 05, 2019 5:05 pm

Hello,

Poor Roxy, I remember her. How is she doing, do you have any updated pictures?
This type of scenario is tough because you want to let them brumate, but, if they are down
for too long without their medication they will relapse.
The best recommendation I can give is to let her sleep or rest but try to get her medications
into her at least 3-4 times per week. The days that she gets the allopurinol, she will need to
bask at optimal temperatures for several hours to be sure her body metabolizes it.
At the moment, how often are you giving her the allopurinol? I am happy to hear that she is
doing well overall!

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Re: Giving Alpurinal for Gout during Brumation

Postby RockyTurner » Sat Jan 05, 2019 8:44 pm

Cooper Dragon, thank you for your thoughts. I was thinking the same thing about her needing less Alpurinal if her kidneys are not having to process. I will feel better when the extra swelling is gone. I will give an update on the vets thoughts after the appointment Tuesday.😊
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Re: Giving Alpurinal for Gout during Brumation

Postby RockyTurner » Sat Jan 05, 2019 8:53 pm

Tracie, thank you for helping from the beginning with this. Roxy is definitely a special girl. I am hoping that she won’t brumate long because she is really fighting it. She is super social and I think that she is afraid she will miss something.
I am glad you mentioned making sure that she gets the UVB since she is taking her medicine. I was wondering about her ability to process it.
Of course I have pics🤗
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Re: Giving Alpurinal for Gout during Brumation

Postby RockyTurner » Sat Jan 05, 2019 10:27 pm

I forgot to answer your question about dose schedule.
I give her .78 ml Alpurinal once a day. My vet told me that this is the maximum dose for a bearded dragon regardless of weight. I have still been giving it to her daily due to the extra swelling that she has. I really try to manage her gout by limiting her protein intake.
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Re: Giving Alpurinal for Gout during Brumation

Postby Drache613 » Sat Jan 05, 2019 11:38 pm

Hello,

Oh do you mean 0.78ml? I ask because 7.8ml is quite a bit!
She looks alert to me, so that is great to see. Has her swelling gone down quite a bit then,
over time? Limiting her protein helps, absolutely. It is hard making sure she gets adequate
greens & fluids I realize when she is slown down. Do the best you can with her.
Keep us posted on her.

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Re: Giving Alpurinal for Gout during Brumation

Postby RockyTurner » Sun Jan 06, 2019 12:01 am

Yes, I did mean .78. I changed it in case someone else sees that information regarding Alpurinal😬 the swelling seems to fluxuate. When she does swell, it takes a while to get it back down. Something that really seems to help is mixing the dark cherry extract and water in Oxbow’s Critical Care. My definite go to when she doesn’t eat enough greens.
I will let you know what the vet has to say. Thank you again, Tracie😊
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Re: Giving Alpurinal for Gout during Brumation

Postby CooperDragon » Sun Jan 06, 2019 1:15 pm

If you're using critical care you can sub that with your own mix if you want to. It's a bit cheaper and you can control what's in it. I used to blend different greens along with things like squash, green beans, bell pepper, etc in a blender with some water, then run it through a sieve and through a clean dish cloth to get the consistency of baby food. I'd store that in a jar in the fridge and it worked just like baby food but formulated for a balanced vegetable diet for a sick dragon. Of course you don't need to switch to this but it's something to consider as an option if you wish.
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Re: Giving Alpurinal for Gout during Brumation

Postby RockyTurner » Sun Jan 06, 2019 2:11 pm

Cooper Dragon, thank you so much for that idea. I really like feeding my kids the organic fresh greens, so that would make me happy knowing that she is still getting the best😊
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Re: Giving Alpurinal for Gout during Brumation

Postby Drache613 » Sun Jan 06, 2019 6:29 pm

Hello,

Great, I was hoping it was a misprint, but, I kind of figured. I just wanted to double check. LOL
How is she doing today? The black cherry juice extract is very well tolerated & works really
great, also.
Keep us posted on everything.

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