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Basking spot help! :)

Postby FlapJack16 » Fri Feb 19, 2021 9:20 pm

I am breaking these posts up, so I don't have a novel in just one post. This one is basking.

I need to find a new basking spot for my BD- he pretty much does not have one right now.

I was going to have my dad build me a basking spot like one of these.
https://www.etsy.com/listing/772650728/ ... ro=1&frs=1

https://www.etsy.com/listing/765156779/ ... ro=1&frs=1

They are adjustable, and we can seal the wood so they can clean easy, too. I can also place a large stone on the top one, for a nice basking surface.

I need to know what the best height would be for it. Like I said, they are adjustable- so I am trying to figure out how tall the highest slot should be.
Basically- what is the closest a BD should ever get to the basking spot? Meaning- at what distance is it like; "ok, I need to get a stronger bulb and lower this"
My tank is 24"H.... If we made the structure 15" tall at the highest, and added maybe 2" of height if FlapJack sits there and has his head up, that would make him 7" away from the bulb, at the closest setting possible.
Too close? Just right?

Let me know your ideas on any of it!
Thanks! :)
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Re: Basking spot help! :)

Postby KarrieRee » Sat Feb 20, 2021 6:09 am

Basking bulbs should not be closer than 6" I believe BUT it depends on the wattage your using -- they are trial and error - so maybe start w/ a 100 watt but if your tank is 24" high and on top of the screen then your probably going to end up w/ a 150 watt but like I said its going to be trial and error - make sure your getting temps w/ a digital probe thermometer --
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Re: Basking spot help! :)

Postby Claudiusx » Sat Feb 20, 2021 8:36 am

Any distance that is safe, which means the dragon can not touch the bulb under any circumstances, and the surface temp of the spot is far enough away that it isn't too hot. EG a surface temp of 120 would be too high, you'd need to lower it.

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Postby FlapJack16 » Sat Feb 20, 2021 12:40 pm

Claudiusx wrote:Any distance that is safe, which means the dragon can not touch the bulb under any circumstances, and the surface temp of the spot is far enough away that it isn't too hot. EG a surface temp of 120 would be too high, you'd need to lower it.

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Hmmmmm..
Any specific suggestions on a structure height?
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Postby FlapJack16 » Sat Feb 20, 2021 12:41 pm

KarrieRee wrote:Basking bulbs should not be closer than 6" I believe BUT it depends on the wattage your using -- they are trial and error - so maybe start w/ a 100 watt but if your tank is 24" high and on top of the screen then your probably going to end up w/ a 150 watt but like I said its going to be trial and error - make sure your getting temps w/ a digital probe thermometer --


Should I use both a digital probe AND a infrared?
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Re: Basking spot help! :)

Postby KarrieRee » Sat Feb 20, 2021 12:47 pm

Yes use both
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Re: Basking spot help! :)

Postby Claudiusx » Sat Feb 20, 2021 12:53 pm

FlapJack16 wrote:
Claudiusx wrote:Any distance that is safe, which means the dragon can not touch the bulb under any circumstances, and the surface temp of the spot is far enough away that it isn't too hot. EG a surface temp of 120 would be too high, you'd need to lower it.

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Hmmmmm..
Any specific suggestions on a structure height?


All kind of just depends on your setup, lighting etc.

You can always make a rough model out of cardboard and hot glue or something to see how it would work in your setup.

In regards to measuring temperatures, I only recommend digital with probe ends. IR guns rely on measuring only a specific type of material(s) (usually materials with an E-Value around .95). Unless you have an IR gun with an adjustable emissivity setting (which would allow you to accurately measure your specific surface material)

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Re: Basking spot help! :)

Postby FlapJack16 » Sat Feb 20, 2021 1:20 pm

Claudiusx wrote:
FlapJack16 wrote:
Claudiusx wrote:Any distance that is safe, which means the dragon can not touch the bulb under any circumstances, and the surface temp of the spot is far enough away that it isn't too hot. EG a surface temp of 120 would be too high, you'd need to lower it.

-Brandon


Hmmmmm..
Any specific suggestions on a structure height?


All kind of just depends on your setup, lighting etc.

You can always make a rough model out of cardboard and hot glue or something to see how it would work in your setup.

In regards to measuring temperatures, I only recommend digital with probe ends. IR guns rely on measuring only a specific type of material(s) (usually materials with an E-Value around .95). Unless you have an IR gun with an adjustable emissivity setting (which would allow you to accurately measure your specific surface material)

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I was going to get this one :)
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00837ZGRY/?c ... _lig_dp_it

As far as E-values and emissivity, ya lost me- (i sure sound like a genius, what between this and poster sizing)
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Re: Basking spot help! :)

Postby FlapJack16 » Sat Feb 20, 2021 1:30 pm

Also-
Does 15" as the highest setting on that structure in a 24" tank sound alright, or should I make the highest setting higher, just in case?
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Re: Basking spot help! :)

Postby KarrieRee » Sat Feb 20, 2021 1:31 pm

I use one like that but I also have digital probe thermometers as well
my fixtures are approx 12-15 inches directly above the basking decor piece
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Postby Claudiusx » Sat Feb 20, 2021 1:46 pm

FlapJack16 wrote:As far as E-values and emissivity, ya lost me- (i sure sound like a genius, what between this and poster sizing)

I'm actually working on an article for this site in regards to thermometers, and IR guns.

Here is a copy and paste from part of it that hopefully helps you understand (you can be my beta tester to tell me if what I'm saying makes sense lol!)

Emissivity is the term used for how an object emits energy as thermal radiation. And like mentioned, different objects have different emissivity values. This is what causes one of our major problems with this type of thermometer. Most IR temp guns come calibrated to a set emissivity value (from here on referred to as Evalue), usually 0.9-0.95. These values cover a wide range of materials, but as you might imagine, they also leave out a lot of materials. For instance, asphalt has an Evalue of 0.93. So the average IR gun would read asphalts surface temperature fairly reliably. But sand has an Evalue of 0.76, sandstone 0.59. And granite has an Evalue of 0.45. This would mean your IR temp gun would be useless on those materials, as the Evalue is much out of range, your readings will be off too. So, the only way to get around this is 1 of two options. You only use items in your tank that fit the Evalue of your IR temp gun, or you buy an IR temp gun with an adjustable Evalue setting. You will have to make sure when you buy one that it states it has adjustable emissivity levels. If this is the case, then you need to make sure you know what the surfaces are you are measuring, and look them up on an emissivity chart. From there you can adjust your thermometer and you should be getting very accurate readings.
So in conclusion, IR temp guns can be very accurate, but only if they are used properly. And unfortunately, that is what makes them not user friendly in my opinion


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Re: Basking spot help! :)

Postby FlapJack16 » Sat Feb 20, 2021 11:51 pm

Claudiusx wrote:
FlapJack16 wrote:As far as E-values and emissivity, ya lost me- (i sure sound like a genius, what between this and poster sizing)

I'm actually working on an article for this site in regards to thermometers, and IR guns.

Here is a copy and paste from part of it that hopefully helps you understand (you can be my beta tester to tell me if what I'm saying makes sense lol!)

Emissivity is the term used for how an object emits energy as thermal radiation. And like mentioned, different objects have different emissivity values. This is what causes one of our major problems with this type of thermometer. Most IR temp guns come calibrated to a set emissivity value (from here on referred to as Evalue), usually 0.9-0.95. These values cover a wide range of materials, but as you might imagine, they also leave out a lot of materials. For instance, asphalt has an Evalue of 0.93. So the average IR gun would read asphalts surface temperature fairly reliably. But sand has an Evalue of 0.76, sandstone 0.59. And granite has an Evalue of 0.45. This would mean your IR temp gun would be useless on those materials, as the Evalue is much out of range, your readings will be off too. So, the only way to get around this is 1 of two options. You only use items in your tank that fit the Evalue of your IR temp gun, or you buy an IR temp gun with an adjustable Evalue setting. You will have to make sure when you buy one that it states it has adjustable emissivity levels. If this is the case, then you need to make sure you know what the surfaces are you are measuring, and look them up on an emissivity chart. From there you can adjust your thermometer and you should be getting very accurate readings.
So in conclusion, IR temp guns can be very accurate, but only if they are used properly. And unfortunately, that is what makes them not user friendly in my opinion


-Brandon



That's a great explanation!
So as a summary- would it be better to stick to a zoo med thermometer/hygrometer, and place the probe on the basking area?
Is it worth still getting this, and using the two hand in hand?
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00837ZGRY/?c ... dp_it&th=1

Thanks for your patience :)
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Re: Basking spot help! :)

Postby CooperDragon » Sun Feb 21, 2021 8:15 am

If you have the budget for both, I say go for it. I use digital probes (one on the basking surface, one on the cool side floor) to monitor the temps all the time. I also have a temp gun to double check temps all over the enclosure and also to check temps around the house and under the portable basking lights etc. It's handy to have both.
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Postby FlapJack16 » Sun Feb 21, 2021 11:35 am

CooperDragon wrote:If you have the budget for both, I say go for it. I use digital probes (one on the basking surface, one on the cool side floor) to monitor the temps all the time. I also have a temp gun to double check temps all over the enclosure and also to check temps around the house and under the portable basking lights etc. It's handy to have both.


Good to know- thank you! Do you like that one I have picked out?
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Postby CooperDragon » Sun Feb 21, 2021 11:41 am

Yeah that should work well for spot checking. Keep emissivity in mind as mentioned. You may not get the exact readings on all surfaces. You'll get close enough to adjust lighting though. I have a similar one and really don't worry about it all that much.
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