That's pretty much directly opposite of the advise of the dubia threads on this forum.jarich":3rfaemxy said:Roaches do not need high protein diets, they are adapted to very low protein diets.
icelore":1gv5kw5o said:That's pretty much directly opposite of the advise of the dubia threads on this forum.jarich":1gv5kw5o said:Roaches do not need high protein diets, they are adapted to very low protein diets.
icelore":v1wvkm9o said:Oh, I'm not saying that they can't live on low protein diet. But people on the forum aren't keeping roaches as pets and trying to recreate their natural habitat. They are keeping them as feeders and as such as gutloading them to produce the best outcome for their reptile, which would be feeding them a relatively high protein diet as well. Obviously super high protein can result in uric acid build up, but that's relatively moot as it's beyond the point of the generally recognized roach diet.
We could quibble about "high protein," but let's be honest, the word "high" is subjective. I don't know anyone who is advocating a diet so high in protein that uric acid build up is an issue, which is why I stated that I believe it isn't exactly a point of high importance. If you want to post a definitive magic number or percentage of a specific protein given in an overall diet that you feel is dangerous, feel free, I'm sure there are many people who would be interested in that. My initial comment was simply that a dubia diet that is high in protein is what is generally accepted and perpetuated on this forum, as well as what many people sell as their chow mix.jarich":1fvkrqot said:No that's what I'm saying, it doesn't produce the best feeder at all. Gut loading with protein is not useful. All insects, no matter which one, have more than the nutritional protein requirements of lizards. So gut loading with protein would be not only useless, but also somewhat dehydrating as proteins require more moisture to process. Then add to that the increased uric acid content of a roach fed a high protein diet, another dehydrating factor, and you start to see why high protein diets are a bad idea for roaches meant to be feeders. How is it moot if it has the potential to effect the lizard eating it negatively?
Twobeardieguy":1fvkrqot said:Okay! I just want to start off and say there is a ton of people giving off wrong info about dubia roaches. I am sorry for yelling here but I need people to know the truth.
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11. Do feed a very high diet consisting of protein!
icelore":2l17w4iz said:We could quibble about "high protein," but let's be honest, the word "high" is subjective. I don't know anyone who is advocating a diet so high in protein that uric acid build up is an issue, which is why I stated that I believe it isn't exactly a point of high importance. If you want to post a definitive magic number or percentage of a specific protein given in an overall diet that you feel is dangerous, feel free, I'm sure there are many people who would be interested in that. My initial comment was simply that a dubia diet that is high in protein is what is generally accepted and perpetuated on this forum, as well as what many people sell as their chow mix.jarich":2l17w4iz said:No that's what I'm saying, it doesn't produce the best feeder at all. Gut loading with protein is not useful. All insects, no matter which one, have more than the nutritional protein requirements of lizards. So gut loading with protein would be not only useless, but also somewhat dehydrating as proteins require more moisture to process. Then add to that the increased uric acid content of a roach fed a high protein diet, another dehydrating factor, and you start to see why high protein diets are a bad idea for roaches meant to be feeders. How is it moot if it has the potential to effect the lizard eating it negatively?
In an effort to not continue to hijack this person's thread any further, the only thing that I can suggest is that you go over to the "catch all" dubia care thread entitled For all the dubia know it alls! and share your knowledge over there, as it is a general "how to" that I know a lot of people look to for info. If you have contradictory information that can benefit people, that would be the place to put it.
Twobeardieguy":2l17w4iz said:Okay! I just want to start off and say there is a ton of people giving off wrong info about dubia roaches. I am sorry for yelling here but I need people to know the truth.
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11. Do feed a very high diet consisting of protein!