Weird poop/sleepy/doesn't wanna eat.

Natank

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Beardie name(s)
Rio
Hello! I'm new here, so please forgive me if this is the wrong board.

Let me preface this to say that there's only one reptile vet in my city and I've already contacted them a week ago and am going to contact them asap moving forward, but I won't be able to get there until Thursday at the quickest. Ok, onto the issue.

2-3 weeks ago, my little guy Rio stopped eating and he became extremely lazy, getting under his lamp everyday (his basking spot is ~40C, with the other end of the terrarium being ~25C). This worried me a bit as he usually has good appetite, but I figured maybe he wants to brumate. He's 1,5 y/o and it'd be his first time brumating and also my first time preparing a beardie to brumate, so. To the vet we go.

After doing bloodwork and checking poop, bloodwork came back normally, but poop had a lot of pinworms. I wasn't really worried about that, Rio has had pinworms in the past, so I figured I cleaned his tank wrong after that. Doc prescribed him panacur (0,06ml everyday, for 5 days), Sodaziot Green (0,1ml per 100ml of water; for him to bathe in; for 7 days) and Nekton-biotic Bird/ENTERIC. The last one he didn't have at the clinic, so I ordered it online. It arrived this Tuesday. As for dosage, I got told to just follow "the instructions for birds" (as it's a probiotic for birds), which were "to mix 1g of the probiotic with 100g of wet food or 250ml of water". Both seemed ridiculous for me as 1) he doesn't want to eat, 2) 250ml of water for a beardie is definitely TOO much. It seemed sensible to me that these scale, so i took a smidge (barely any) of the probiotic and mixed it with 3ml of water and fed it to Rio everyday for the past few days.

Okay. fast forward to yesterday/today.
Yesterday, Rio's poop was green. Like, really green. And mucus-y. Today, his poop was green again and there wasn't much of it. Sorry I didn't take photos.

My question is, would any of you all know what's wrong with him? Is it the probiotic? It's been a week. He's still not eating and still basking everyday, barely moving at all. Vet said I should force him to eat, if he won't do it himself, but it's just not working. He's been pooping regularly (every 1-2 days) after taking the meds. He DOES drink water out of his water dish, however. I don't even need to force him. Dish is cleaned 2 times everyday.

Extra info:
- his pores aren't clogged, vet said he looks healthy as well. I'm attaching a pic of him however so you can judge for yourself. I feel like he does look fine though.
- sometimes he falls asleep under the lamp. Could it be that he DOES want to brumate? Vet said that's not possible, that he'd be hiding in the cold part of his terra. But I don't know anymore.
- bloodwork came ok; he's a little dehydrated from not eating is all. Vet suggested that's why he's drinking so much.
- his diet consists of dubia roaches and arugula, usually. Sometimes he gets mealworms as he seems to really like them, but rarely, as I know it's like fast food to them. I give him veggies/fruit occassionally, but not a lot.
- we moved 5 months ago, just fyi. Probably unrelated, but yeah. He's got the same 120cm long tank, though.
- I own a leopard gecko as well, but they never interact, for obvious reasons. Gecko is healthy.

I've attached some photos of him, all taken this week. The black bit on his lip in one of them is just a teeny bit of agurula.

I'd be thankful if somebody could give me a second opinion. The vet said he should be fine... and I'm not sure what to think. I can post his bloodwork results as well if that helps? Either way, I hope I got my point accross. Sorry for any grammar mistakes/typos/etc, English is not my first language.

Cheers, Nat.
 

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KarrieRee

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Beardie name(s)
Hiccup he is 6 and Blaze is 5
Hello! I'm new here, so please forgive me if this is the wrong board.

Let me preface this to say that there's only one reptile vet in my city and I've already contacted them a week ago and am going to contact them asap moving forward, but I won't be able to get there until Thursday at the quickest. Ok, onto the issue.

2-3 weeks ago, my little guy Rio stopped eating and he became extremely lazy, getting under his lamp everyday (his basking spot is ~40C, with the other end of the terrarium being ~25C). This worried me a bit as he usually has good appetite, but I figured maybe he wants to brumate. He's 1,5 y/o and it'd be his first time brumating and also my first time preparing a beardie to brumate, so. To the vet we go.

After doing bloodwork and checking poop, bloodwork came back normally, but poop had a lot of pinworms. I wasn't really worried about that, Rio has had pinworms in the past, so I figured I cleaned his tank wrong after that. Doc prescribed him panacur (0,06ml everyday, for 5 days), Sodaziot Green (0,1ml per 100ml of water; for him to bathe in; for 7 days) and Nekton-biotic Bird/ENTERIC. The last one he didn't have at the clinic, so I ordered it online. It arrived this Tuesday. As for dosage, I got told to just follow "the instructions for birds" (as it's a probiotic for birds), which were "to mix 1g of the probiotic with 100g of wet food or 250ml of water". Both seemed ridiculous for me as 1) he doesn't want to eat, 2) 250ml of water for a beardie is definitely TOO much. It seemed sensible to me that these scale, so i took a smidge (barely any) of the probiotic and mixed it with 3ml of water and fed it to Rio everyday for the past few days.

Okay. fast forward to yesterday/today.
Yesterday, Rio's poop was green. Like, really green. And mucus-y. Today, his poop was green again and there wasn't much of it. Sorry I didn't take photos.

My question is, would any of you all know what's wrong with him? Is it the probiotic? It's been a week. He's still not eating and still basking everyday, barely moving at all. Vet said I should force him to eat, if he won't do it himself, but it's just not working. He's been pooping regularly (every 1-2 days) after taking the meds. He DOES drink water out of his water dish, however. I don't even need to force him. Dish is cleaned 2 times everyday.

Extra info:
- his pores aren't clogged, vet said he looks healthy as well. I'm attaching a pic of him however so you can judge for yourself. I feel like he does look fine though.
- sometimes he falls asleep under the lamp. Could it be that he DOES want to brumate? Vet said that's not possible, that he'd be hiding in the cold part of his terra. But I don't know anymore.
- bloodwork came ok; he's a little dehydrated from not eating is all. Vet suggested that's why he's drinking so much.
- his diet consists of dubia roaches and arugula, usually. Sometimes he gets mealworms as he seems to really like them, but rarely, as I know it's like fast food to them. I give him veggies/fruit occassionally, but not a lot.
- we moved 5 months ago, just fyi. Probably unrelated, but yeah. He's got the same 120cm long tank, though.
- I own a leopard gecko as well, but they never interact, for obvious reasons. Gecko is healthy.

I've attached some photos of him, all taken this week. The black bit on his lip in one of them is just a teeny bit of agurula.

I'd be thankful if somebody could give me a second opinion. The vet said he should be fine... and I'm not sure what to think. I can post his bloodwork results as well if that helps? Either way, I hope I got my point accross. Sorry for any grammar mistakes/typos/etc, English is not my first language.

Cheers, Nat.
How are you getting surface basking temps? NO stickons please digital probe thermometer-- also you did not mention a UVB- please post what brand and bulb and where it is in the tank -how old is it-- screens block approx 30% of the rays -- the panacur is dehydrating him -- as far as the probiotic its good hes on one but not sure about if its good for him considering its for birds -- we need to ask about that I am flagging your post to Tracie shes the vet tech mod on here at night
@Drache613
 

Natank

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Beardie name(s)
Rio
Yeah the probiotic weirded me out, too. But that's what the vet recommended, so I frankly didn't think much of it

As for UVB, it's repti planet 26W 10.0. I got him a new one at the beginning of August, so roughly 2,5 months ago. It's inside the tank, not outside. I check temperatures with one of these infrared temp guns. If probe thermometers are better I'll make sure to get those asap though.
 

KarrieRee

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Beardie name(s)
Hiccup he is 6 and Blaze is 5
Yeah the probiotic weirded me out, too. But that's what the vet recommended, so I frankly didn't think much of it

As for UVB, it's repti planet 26W 10.0. I got him a new one at the beginning of August, so roughly 2,5 months ago. It's inside the tank, not outside. I check temperatures with one of these infrared temp guns. If probe thermometers are better I'll make sure to get those asap though.
Please get rid of the UVB --- the 26 watt is telling me its a coil? Is it in a dome? Please get this I believe your in the UK?
you want the 12% bulb 24 watt Arcadia ProT5 UVB Lighting Kit
This will need to go in the tank approx 12-15 inches directly above the basking decor piece --- please get this right away - this is why your dragon is not eating and possibly the cause for the pin worms -- hes not getting adequate UVB --- yes the digital probe thermometers are the most accurate for getting temps - I would get two one for the cool side of the tank - the probe does not need to stay there on the spot where he sits to bask but it should be checked often
 

Natank

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Rio
Oh my god I didn't know. My vet said that the lamp was fine. Yeah it's coil I believe.

I'm not based in UK, I'm in Poland, but I'll try to find that one locally asap. I had no idea... the guy who sold me my lil guy and the vet both said the setup was ok, so I didn't think much of it. I got him from a seemingly reputable breeder, too, and he's had the same sorta setup. To think my poor guy hasn't been getting enough UVB all this time D:
Stores are closed today, but I'll try to get one tomorrow locally if possible
 

KarrieRee

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Hiccup he is 6 and Blaze is 5
Oh my god I didn't know. My vet said that the lamp was fine. Yeah it's coil I believe.

I'm not based in UK, I'm in Poland, but I'll try to find that one locally asap. I had no idea... the guy who sold me my lil guy and the vet both said the setup was ok, so I didn't think much of it. I got him from a seemingly reputable breeder, too, and he's had the same sorta setup. To think my poor guy hasn't been getting enough UVB all this time D:
Stores are closed today, but I'll try to get one tomorrow locally if possible
To me he looks pretty small for a 1 1/2 yr old dragon -- the incorrect UVB would effect his growth along w/ all kinds of health issues --
 

Natank

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Rio
Yes, he's relatively small. I've been wondering about that too, but again, vet didn't raise any concerns about that at our last visit last week, despite me bringing it up and noting that he's 1,5 y/o. Don't remember how much he weighs exactly rn, but roughly something around 320g, which DID make me go "huh" because most sources online say that's just... wrong.

Also, isn't it weird that the issues only manifested now? He's been kept in a similar setup before I got him, by the seller, who I believe got him from another breeder in December 2023/Jan 2024. So he's had this kind of UVB lamp for 10 months or so. I totally believe you guys, it's just... so bizarre to me that he decided to stop eating this month. Could it be that the issues /w not enough UVB compounded over time and the pinworms made it worse?
 

KarrieRee

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Beardie name(s)
Hiccup he is 6 and Blaze is 5
Yes, he's relatively small. I've been wondering about that too, but again, vet didn't raise any concerns about that at our last visit last week, despite me bringing it up and noting that he's 1,5 y/o. Don't remember how much he weighs exactly rn, but roughly something around 320g, which DID make me go "huh" because most sources online say that's just... wrong.

Also, isn't it weird that the issues only manifested now? He's been kept in a similar setup before I got him, by the seller, who I believe got him from another breeder in December 2023/Jan 2024. So he's had this kind of UVB lamp for 10 months or so. I totally believe you guys, it's just... so bizarre to me that he decided to stop eating this month. Could it be that the issues /w not enough UVB compounded over time and the pinworms made it worse?
Yes---- coils are no good --- get that set up I posted if you cant find it I will post another set up that you can get but my guess its gonna haft to be ordered from Amazon
 

Natank

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Rio
Thank you. Will do asap. I did some digging online and found these locally. Should arrive on Monday/Tuesday.

And thank you for not being rude. Whenever I try to ask these kinda questions on local forums, they're very judgmental and often very rude.

I'll look into changing my vet, as well, even if I'll have to travel further away. Not noticing that my lizard is too small and the light setup is wrong is no good. I hope the probiotic is ok for him at least.
 

KarrieRee

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Beardie name(s)
Hiccup he is 6 and Blaze is 5
Thank you. Will do asap. I did some digging online and found these locally. Should arrive on Monday/Tuesday.

And thank you for not being rude. Whenever I try to ask these kinda questions on local forums, they're very judgmental and often very rude.

I'll look into changing my vet, as well, even if I'll have to travel further away. Not noticing that my lizard is too small and the light setup is wrong is no good. I hope the probiotic is ok for him at least.
Your welcome we are here to help--- here is a global website to find a vet in your area
 

xp29

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Ruby, Sinatra, Zsa Zsa
Thank you. Will do asap. I did some digging online and found these locally. Should arrive on Monday/Tuesday.

And thank you for not being rude. Whenever I try to ask these kinda questions on local forums, they're very judgmental and often very rude.

I'll look into changing my vet, as well, even if I'll have to travel further away. Not noticing that my lizard is too small and the light setup is wrong is no good. I hope the probiotic is ok for him at least.
You have come to the best place for info. @KarrieRee can help you get your lighting and temps dailed in.
And there is pretty much zero judgment here, we all love beardies and the people that keep them, especially the ones that do everything they can to provide the best life for them.
Ask any question you need to, there is someone here that has knowledge about just about everything. The collective knowledge here is amazing.
Oh and welcome to the community 🙂 not only ask questions, if you see a question from someone else and you know how to help feel free to do so 🙂
As far as appetite a lot of antibiotics prescribed to beardies actually will cause them to not have much appetite. The best work around is to order some Oxbow critical care. You can get it on amazon.
It's full of vitamins and minerals and is great for recovering beardies. It comes in carnivore, omnivore, and herbivore varieties. Your guy looks very thin and without much fat reserves, I would use the omnivore variety personally.
At 1.5 years old he could absolutely want to brumate, but honestly he doesn't look to have the fat reserves to do it safely.
I would keep his lights on a summer schedule and his basking just a tad warmer to encourage him not to till he is chunkier.
Also not all beardies will do a full brumation, especially their first one. I had a male that was about 5 and all he ever did was get super lazy, decreased appetite, and napped ALOT but he wouldn't use a hide and still ate and pooped just a lot less.
He napped wherever he happened to be sitting hot or cool side. So don't freak out if Rio don't do what the internet says he should. Each beardie will do what he/she feels like doing.
Also please keep us posted on him. We worry about every one of them just like they are our own 🙂
 

Natank

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Rio
Thank you! Will look into the Oxbow stuff. Glad it's normal for them to be a lil less hungry after antibiotics. That does make me feel less worried. Will keep him on summer schedule for now as well. He is rather sleepy, so I'll keep an eye on that

Should I keep trying to feed him, or just let him be until he wants to eat by himself? Vet said it's "harmless" to "force" them to eat (ie. putting food into their mouth so they start chewing on it), but considering everything my vet has said so far, I'm not sure if that can be trusted either haha...
 

KarrieRee

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Beardie name(s)
Hiccup he is 6 and Blaze is 5
Thank you! Will look into the Oxbow stuff. Glad it's normal for them to be a lil less hungry after antibiotics. That does make me feel less worried. Will keep him on summer schedule for now as well. He is rather sleepy, so I'll keep an eye on that

Should I keep trying to feed him, or just let him be until he wants to eat by himself? Vet said it's "harmless" to "force" them to eat (ie. putting food into their mouth so they start chewing on it), but considering everything my vet has said so far, I'm not sure if that can be trusted either haha...
Get your UVB changed out and surface basking temps on par --- go from there - my guess hes not eating because of improper lighting -- they will stop eating w/ incorrect UVB - they cannot absorb / synthesize the calcium they are getting -- thus this will cause all kinds of health issues and lack of appetite
 

xp29

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Ruby, Sinatra, Zsa Zsa
I agrre wirh @KarrieRee, get the lights fixed asap and go from there.
I've never force fed mine. I use an eyedropper to feed the critical care so I can control the amount better. A syringe is hard to use because to much comes out to fast.
If they won't start licking the critical care off their nose I use my thumb to pull down their lower lip (it moves very easily) and I drip a little of the critical care just outside their teeth so they can taste it. Usually they'll start lapping it up from there.
Don't try to force it inside their teeth though, they could inhale it into their lungs that way and it can be dangerous.
If you get the critical care, mix it a bit on the watery side. It makes it easier to use in the eyedropper. It tends to gel up and get kind of thick if there isn't enough water, also the extra water helps with hydration.
 

Natank

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Rio
Okay, sounds good. Won't try to "force" it then.

Lamp should arrive on Tuesday, so we'll see! I hope that'll make him feel better. Critical Care seems to be a bit hard to get over here, so I'll look into it later, if not I'll just have it shipped from the US I guess. The one for herbivores is readily available locally, but no dice for the other two, I'm assuming because most people own hamsters and stuff like that...

Thank you all for the help. I really appreciate it. Now it's just waiting for the lamp to arrive
 

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