Hi, Michele.
Great readings!!
OK, I'm going to start backwards just to be awkward! :mrgreen:
puppytoes72":2scy8udr said:
I found 3 spare T-Rex ActiveUV bulbs in Jojo's cabinet and I tested those.I never throw her old bulbs away. They have all had about 6 months of use.
Bulb#1
UVI 4.1 14'' away
Bulb#2
UVI 3.0 14"away
Bulb#3
UVI 4.7 14'' away
These are all VERY GOOD lamps. A UV Index of 3-4 is what the World Health Organisation calls "moderate" and is what you get in full tropical or subtropical sun from about 8.30 - 9.30 in the morning or 2.30 - 3.30 in the afternoon, or in light shade, or in overcast weather at mid-day.
All those bulbs could go straight back over a dragon and could well last another year or two.... many old ReptileUV and T-Rex ActiveUV Heat lamps have lasted 2 years easily and believe it or not, I have one that will have been in constant use with good output for five years, if it survives till July. (But I have also had two that only lasted a year. They are all rather temperamental things!)
Next,the old T-Rex ActiveUV,which she has happily been basking under.*ONE YEAR USE*.
UVI 3.8 14'' away
Another VERY GOOD LAMP.
Keep on using that one!
Personally, with a good lamp of these older models of tried-and-true brands, that have not caused any problems, I think it is absolutely fine to use them at between 12 - 14 inches distance until the UV Index has dropped below 3.0 at 12". There is no scientific evidence to back me up on this, it is just what seems right to me, because a UVI of 3.0 is definitely producing good vitamin D3 levels in humans, (no-one knows any figures for any reptiles, for any strength of UV...) and is safe for humans (it is the "threshold for wearing sun cream" if you are following "safe sun" campaigns, but be warned - the moment you put sun cream on, you stop vitamin D3 production dead in its tracks..so give yourself some time without suncream first - see
http://www.grassrootshealth.net for details)
First,the BRAND NEW T-Rex Economy,(the one that I was worried about because after 2 days Jojo was closing her eye and wouldn't open it until I put her old bulb back in.) It has had almost 100 hours of burn time.
UVI 8.5 12'' from the "eye" of the sensor to the face of the bulb.
6.3 14''
*I don't know why Jojo acted like this was too strong, because in her viv set-up she is about 18'' away* Frances,do you think this is safe to use? Can I assume there are no harmful/shortwave rays??
I don't like this, Michelle.
I have now tested only two of the T-Rex Economy lamps, but both gave me a higher UVI reading on the 6.5 meter than I like to see with a fairly low Total UVB reading on the Solarmeter 6.2, meaning that although there don't appear -from the spectrum- to be more than a trace of the more harmful short wavelength rays, the balance of short:long wavelength UVB is not ideal and they are indeed "stronger" than the old-style lamps... in fact I didn't think their
spectrum was much better than the T-Rex lamps which have had all the problems...so I can well believe that there is something about the light, that JoJo didn't like.
Certainly the advertising message that these had a "lower output" is only true in the sense that they have a lower output than the
problem lamps. They do
not have a lower output than the old version that was so good... as Michelle's readings clearly demonstrate!
Interestingly, I have been burning the weaker of the two T-Rex "Economy" lamps (which gave me readings of only 3.8 at 12" after 105hrs use, which seems on the face of it to be perfectly safe...) over my two girls' windowsill basking spot, where they go when they are out of their viv and can run round a fenced-off part of the floor. And I've noticed that neither of them will sit right under it... That is strange...
One thing I noticed is that a 1/2 inch in either direction changed the result drastically.It took time to find the highest reading on each bulb. I held my hand steady on the floor w/ the sensor facing upwards to the bulb and I basically moved my hand around until I found the highest reading (which I guess would be the center of the beam)
So how did I do Frances?
Perfect. That's exactly what you always get with mercury vapor lamps. The centre of the beam is usually quite tiny, with a sharp gradient either side.
With some, the arc flickers about inside the lamp too, and the readings dance like crazy; others give you a steadier reading, especially if the front coating is more opaque, diffusing the light.
gulfbrzdawn":2scy8udr said:
I thought surely it's not the Solar Glo, since Frances tested the bulbs I sent her and the 125W Solar was emitting good levels of uvb. I am starting to think no two bulbs are created equal, even if from the same manufacturer. It is quite puzzling, to say the least.
Hi, Dawn - I must get your good lamp in the mail back to you.
You're absolulutely right... No two bulbs ARE created equal and I bet the 125W you didn't send me was one with low output like the 160W you did send!
Drache613":2scy8udr said:
I have one coming in a week or so, finally. I just decided it was too important with all of the bulb problems.
Hi, Tracie.
Greatthat you're getting a meter!
Drache613":2scy8udr said:
Do you know what the uW/cm2 was reading? That is the amount of UVB that it is putting out. Did you measure that also?
To measure the Total UVB, you need a Solarmeter 6.2. These readings are often quite surprisingly low with problem bulbs, which is why the problem often goes undetected. The very short wavelength rays are so strong, you don't need a lot of them to cause harm. But they give a powerful UVI reading on the 6.5 meter... sooo, if you have both meters and notice a high UVI reading but a comparatively low Total UVB reading, alarm bells ring...
But only the most dedicated lamp tester could justify having two Solarmeters :shock: so I think it is easier to have just one, and check up the readings for the other one from friends and forums...
Drache613":2scy8udr said:
If the UVI is no higher than 6-8, or 9 at a 12 inch distance that should be "safe" as long as there is no short wave frequency being put out.
I can't remember the exact readings of what bearded dragons prefer to bask but I know in the wild they don't bask for long periods of time under direct noonday sun with the UVI being higher than 10, they head for cover.
Tracie's right, they won't stay out long with UVI "very high", which is UVI 8 or above, according to the W.H.O.
I saw one basking at UVI 7.6 when I was in South Australia (one of the top highlights of a great holiday 3 years ago)
I think with all the problems with rogue lamps at the moment I'd cut back on those figures, Tracie, and aim for 6 to 7 as a maximum UVI at any basking distance (ie. no more than 7 at the closest point between reptile body and front of lamp). Because of the steep gradient either side of the centre of the beam, this puts most of his body at a UVI somewhere between 2.5 and 6, which sounds like a nice little "sunny spot".
But if your beardie avoids the 'new' light, (even after you've burned it for at least a day, away from him, to prevent him from experiencing the initial very high output you get for the first 5-6 hours with some of these lamps)......but he sits happily under his old one.... at the moment I would trust his instincts over any meter readings...he may be able to sense that it isn't going to do him any good.
Drache613":2scy8udr said:
Sorry this year has been a total bummer for lighting.
You can say that again! :silent: