Stuck Eye

Saborcat

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Hi there, Im pretty new to the group and bearded dragons. I was looking for a bit of advice regarding a beardie that we took in that was in need of great care. Long story short, a relative was not properly caring for this dragon and after 4 years of having him, he didn't want him anymore. I have had an iguana in the past, and because I was so bothered by the level of care, we immediately took him.

His diet was completely wrong (occasional cactus and a handful of freeze dried 'juvenile bearded dragon mix' which is the mealworms and pellets.), as was the setup (paper towel as substrate with 2 larger rocks for basking), a burnt out uvb light, no thermometer gauge, etc.

When I met him his eyes were stuck shut. Relative claims it 'just happened' that day. But Im not sure I believe him. I applied a cotton ball with warm water to try and unstick his eyes. It helped a little but he wasn't able to fully open them. I tried a soak but at that time all that was available to fill was a small critter tank which he barely fit in. I lightly drizzled some water on the head and upon realizing it was water, he stuck his head in and deeply drank.

Upon arriving back home with him and his enclosure, I deeply cleaned it and set up large kitchen tile on the bottom of the enclosure. It covers most of it. I currently have one of the rocks in there for him to bask on. It is a bit curved and not entirely flat, which I see they will need for it to be. For now due to his eyes I have not added much. The enclosure we were given is a 40 gallon breeder. For now the light which has 2 bulbs, the basking one and uvb is resting on the top of the screen. I know this isnt ideal but I do check temps/humidity consistently through the day and temperature wise its where it needs to be. Basking temp at around 98 - 100, cool areas around 78. I believe the UVB is the 5 and not the 10. The relative went with us to purchase a new one and the 5 is what he grabbed. Should it be the 10?

For his eyes I have been using a diluted manuka honey mixture with purified water. I have been doing this a few times a day and also handfeeding him. We've had him for about 4 days now and his appetite has been steadily improving. When I first arrived home I didn't have groceries, so Ive fed him dandelion greens from the garden (no pesticides), steamed butternut squash and blackberries. Recently I was also able to get some bearded dragon supplemental gel, live crickets, which Ive also started to feed. I quickly went to a local grocery store yesterday and picked up yellow squash, endive, and spaghetti squash as well as red pepper. His appetite (If hand fed is good) and during the time we have been home he has pooped once and it looked fine.

I cant get to a vet just yet, (honestly Im not sure if we have any in the area that specializes in reptile care as we are quite rural) like I said this was sprung on us. But I think his dehydration caused the eyelids to stick. He has been starting to open his eyes more, but it still looks to be a struggle. His head is also getting ashy as if hes about to shed.

I know I still have a long ways to go for him in terms of setup, but is there anything else I can do for him to nurse him back to health in the meantime? Also I cant find the information anywhere, but quantity wise - how much vegetation should be eating for a 'healthy amount' for a 4 year old dragon? Everyone gives a percentage, but should he be eating around 3 large leaves a day? More less? Im not sure what to aim for. Also Im quite confused when it comes to the calcium/vitamin supplements. There are so many different kinds that Im not sure which one I should be getting for him. Help?
 

KarrieRee

BD.org Sicko
Beardie name(s)
Hiccup he is 6 and Blaze is 4
Hi there, Im pretty new to the group and bearded dragons. I was looking for a bit of advice regarding a beardie that we took in that was in need of great care. Long story short, a relative was not properly caring for this dragon and after 4 years of having him, he didn't want him anymore. I have had an iguana in the past, and because I was so bothered by the level of care, we immediately took him.

His diet was completely wrong (occasional cactus and a handful of freeze dried 'juvenile bearded dragon mix' which is the mealworms and pellets.), as was the setup (paper towel as substrate with 2 larger rocks for basking), a burnt out uvb light, no thermometer gauge, etc.

When I met him his eyes were stuck shut. Relative claims it 'just happened' that day. But Im not sure I believe him. I applied a cotton ball with warm water to try and unstick his eyes. It helped a little but he wasn't able to fully open them. I tried a soak but at that time all that was available to fill was a small critter tank which he barely fit in. I lightly drizzled some water on the head and upon realizing it was water, he stuck his head in and deeply drank.

Upon arriving back home with him and his enclosure, I deeply cleaned it and set up large kitchen tile on the bottom of the enclosure. It covers most of it. I currently have one of the rocks in there for him to bask on. It is a bit curved and not entirely flat, which I see they will need for it to be. For now due to his eyes I have not added much. The enclosure we were given is a 40 gallon breeder. For now the light which has 2 bulbs, the basking one and uvb is resting on the top of the screen. I know this isnt ideal but I do check temps/humidity consistently through the day and temperature wise its where it needs to be. Basking temp at around 98 - 100, cool areas around 78. I believe the UVB is the 5 and not the 10. The relative went with us to purchase a new one and the 5 is what he grabbed. Should it be the 10?

For his eyes I have been using a diluted manuka honey mixture with purified water. I have been doing this a few times a day and also handfeeding him. We've had him for about 4 days now and his appetite has been steadily improving. When I first arrived home I didn't have groceries, so Ive fed him dandelion greens from the garden (no pesticides), steamed butternut squash and blackberries. Recently I was also able to get some bearded dragon supplemental gel, live crickets, which Ive also started to feed. I quickly went to a local grocery store yesterday and picked up yellow squash, endive, and spaghetti squash as well as red pepper. His appetite (If hand fed is good) and during the time we have been home he has pooped once and it looked fine.

I cant get to a vet just yet, (honestly Im not sure if we have any in the area that specializes in reptile care as we are quite rural) like I said this was sprung on us. But I think his dehydration caused the eyelids to stick. He has been starting to open his eyes more, but it still looks to be a struggle. His head is also getting ashy as if hes about to shed.

I know I still have a long ways to go for him in terms of setup, but is there anything else I can do for him to nurse him back to health in the meantime? Also I cant find the information anywhere, but quantity wise - how much vegetation should be eating for a 'healthy amount' for a 4 year old dragon? Everyone gives a percentage, but should he be eating around 3 large leaves a day? More less? Im not sure what to aim for. Also Im quite confused when it comes to the calcium/vitamin supplements. There are so many different kinds that Im not sure which one I should be getting for him. Help?
Welcome and its good you rescued the dragon it sounds like his care is starting off a good start
The UVB needs to placed for the tanks screen and yes it needs to be the 10.0 what brand did you get? - is it a fine screen like a screen door or a wide hole type? How long was he w/ out UVB? Too much squash can cause runny stools so beware - here is a website for nutrition the kale info is out dated and is a good staple Nutrition Content Dandelion greens are a great staple
Just make him a salad every day offering more if he wants more - staple insect 2-3 times per week dusted w/ calcium D3 once a week and regular calcium the other days -vitamins w/ beta carotene can be fed dust them on the insects as well - the manuka honey on the eyes should improve them you can also use regular saline as well NO contact lens stuff to clean them -- please offer him something soft to sit on to get off the tile - the tile is it smooth or does it have texture? Too rough will cause abrasions
Zoo Med Repti Calcium with D3, 3oz | Dubia.com
Zoo Med Repti Calcium without D3, 3oz | Dubia.com
Rep-Cal Herptivite Multivitamin, 3.3oz | Dubia.com
Please get 2 digital probe thermometers to get your surface basking temps 95-100
 

Saborcat

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I want to say that this is the uvb light he got. He didn't get it at Petco and I only quickly saw the box.

The lamp itself is one of the two in ones where it has a bulb for the basking, and then the second bulb for the uvb. As for how long he was without, I really have no idea. Relative hasnt been too truthful and the more questions I asked, the more defensive he got. Im not sure what type of basking light it is, but seems to produce just a standard light (not red or blue or anything)

The original screen seemed to be a fine mesh that slid sideways to open the tank. But when I went to deep clean the enclosure and screen, with gentle touches the original screen just broke apart. I did get a replacement screen. It seems to be made out of a heavier metal and it has a hinge in the center to open it. https://www.petco.com/shop/en/petcostore/product/imagitarium-50-gallon-terrarium-screen
This is the one here.

Good to know about the squash. Perhaps Ill cut back a bit on that.

Any idea how long recovery might be for the eyes?

What would you recommend for the soft thing? I want to eventually get a hammock, but with his eyes how they are I dont want him to hurt himself. Would a small towel be ok for now?
 

Saborcat

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This isnt the exact tile but similar. Its a ceramic tile, mostly smooth with subtle texture on it. I think it measures 12"x12". Underneath the tile I have the liner he gave me which apparently they always used. The liner feels life a felt and I noticed that the dragon is missing a few toe tips, possibly from snagging. So Im hesitant to just use the liner in there.

Eventually I would like to put in a dig box, but I want his eyes healed up first.

Any suggestions would be welcome :)
 

KarrieRee

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Beardie name(s)
Hiccup he is 6 and Blaze is 4
This isnt the exact tile but similar. Its a ceramic tile, mostly smooth with subtle texture on it. I think it measures 12"x12". Underneath the tile I have the liner he gave me which apparently they always used. The liner feels life a felt and I noticed that the dragon is missing a few toe tips, possibly from snagging. So Im hesitant to just use the liner in there.

Eventually I would like to put in a dig box, but I want his eyes healed up first.

Any suggestions would be welcome :)
Please get rid of the coil ---- they are no good and will cause issues like the ones your having w/ the eyes now please get one of these
Zoo Med 24" Zoo Med ReptiSun T5 HO Hood you want this bulb
22" Zoo Med ReptiSun 10.0 UVB T5 HO or this one
Arcadia ProT5 12% UVB Bulb With Hood
or this one you will need to change the bulb out to the Reptisun posted above you want the 2 ft or 24"
https://hydrobuilder.com/sunblaster...mp.html?opts=eyJhdHRyaWJ1dGU5MDEiOiI2NjEwIn0=
basking bulbs should be a solid clear bright white bulb something like this
Flukers Basking Bulb Incandescent Reptile Light
Exo Terra Intense Basking Spot Lamp
or Arcadia Halogen -- you must have 2 digital probe thermometers to get accurate surface basking temps - you dont want to burn him up
as far as substrate you can get some textured NON adhesive shelf liner cut to the size of the tank - does the tile have some texture to it or is he sliding all over it - I would hold off on a dig box like you said till eyes clear up my guess its the coil UVB -- what size tank is he in?
 

Saborcat

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With the hoods lights, Im assuming that this has to go in a spot without the screen or in the enclosure itself, correct? It cant sit on top of the screen?

I currently have one digital thermometer in there, but yes, I will need a second one for both areas.

The tile does have slight texture. Its not rough though, but not super slippery either like 'subway tile'. It has like a 'matte' feel.

For now I have placed a rolled up dish towel in there to give him something soft to lay on. Forgot to mention that I also placed a piece of driftwood in there as well that the relative provided.

The enclosure is a 40gallon Breeder tank.
 

KarrieRee

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Beardie name(s)
Hiccup he is 6 and Blaze is 4
the brand is not a real good brand the ones I posted I would go w/ one of them -- those are the ones recommended on this board - as long as the dragon can get off the tile and hes not slipping your good - the screen on the tank will determine placement and distance - wide hole type it can go on top w/ a distance of 8-10 inches directly above the basking decor -- fine mesh like a screen door unobstructed or inside the tank 12-15 inches w/ basking decor directly under it
 

Saborcat

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I ended up placing the order from the Pangea website for the hood and uvb light. For now is he going to be ok with the coil while I wait for the new lighting to come in?
 

KarrieRee

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Beardie name(s)
Hiccup he is 6 and Blaze is 4
I ended up placing the order from the Pangea website for the hood and uvb light. For now is he going to be ok with the coil while I wait for the new lighting to come in?
No I would shut if off and get rid of it - he will be fine for a few days w/ out it Pangea is pretty fast -- I have gotten alot of bulbs from them -- if you want take him outside for some good UVB - 15 min in direct sunlight sitting on you or longer depending on how hot it is there
 

Saborcat

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I wanted to give a bit of an update. So our UVB light was delayed a bit. I think we ended up waiting a little over a week for it but it has since arrived. We have continued to improve his diet, doing 4-5 calcium coated live crickets every other day. Greens have been endive (daily) and dandelion greens every other with either carrots, red pepper, or yellow squash depending on the day. Ive been doing the manuka honey/purified water combination for his eyes every day. Today is the first day I didnt have to! He has had quite the energy the last few days, but today he is opening his eyes on his own and they finally look clear! I'm so excited. I just wanted to thank you for your assistance. I'm so glad I found this place! It has really helped us get him back on the road to recovery.
 

KarrieRee

BD.org Sicko
Beardie name(s)
Hiccup he is 6 and Blaze is 4
I wanted to give a bit of an update. So our UVB light was delayed a bit. I think we ended up waiting a little over a week for it but it has since arrived. We have continued to improve his diet, doing 4-5 calcium coated live crickets every other day. Greens have been endive (daily) and dandelion greens every other with either carrots, red pepper, or yellow squash depending on the day. Ive been doing the manuka honey/purified water combination for his eyes every day. Today is the first day I didnt have to! He has had quite the energy the last few days, but today he is opening his eyes on his own and they finally look clear! I'm so excited. I just wanted to thank you for your assistance. I'm so glad I found this place! It has really helped us get him back on the road to recovery.
Glad to hear --- he should continue to improve
 

Drache613

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Hello,

Thanks for the update, I am happy to hear you finally got your new UVB light!
It sounds like his eyes are doing better & that the honey combination has really helped him out.
I'm glad he is eating so well also, even his greens too! Bless him. I think he is definitely on the
road to a full recovery. Please keep us posted on his ongoing progress.

Tracie
 

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