S-shaped spine will not bend. MBD? Impaction?

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boxers

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I have recently been reading up on basic leopard gecko care, and planning to get one or two when I moved...
On Friday at my work, a customer brought in one whose legs were not being used when she walked. They said they took her to the vet, and they told him it was not impaction, and it was not anything broken. (They didn't do an x-ray, however. Just to clarify that detail.) They said it was from calcium deficiency, and they prescribed him a liquid calcium to give her for one month. He said it didn't do anything, and he doesn't want to keep spending money on it, so was it possible to give her to the store? I said no, but that I would take her, considering I had all the necessary requirements for a leopard gecko at home already. I was kind of scared where she might end up. He seemed like a good owner, who somehow ended up being tired of his pet.

She can move around; she drags her back legs. They can move though, I've seen her bend them. She has a big fat amazing tail, and seems very healthy aside from this affliction. She was eating well with her previous owner, and took her medicine with a good-natured attitude. She enjoys/is accustomed to handling. He said he had to help her with her last shed, that she was having trouble bending around to get it all. And that she did not eat it. She was living in a ten gallon, alone, with sand. I now have her in a twenty long, alone, with reptile carpet. Her temps are currently reading 80 & 73.

Upon closer inspection of her, it appears her back is curved, a vague sort of S-shape. (Distinct S at the bottom, not curved at the top though, that part is straight.) And near the bottom of the S, right at her hips, there is what looks like a lump on her right side. I'm not sure if this is just the muscle/tissue jutting out weird from the shape of her spine, or if it is impaction. I don't have any personal experience with impaction, but it looks swollen in that spot, and when she 'pooped' the first night, it was just urate.

I think I should get a second vet's opinion? I really wish I could take pictures of it, but I don't have a camera, so description is the best I can do...

He said he had her for about a year, and that this problem started within the last month or two. If it really is just a calcium deficiency, is it fixable? Would it technically be called MBD, or is there a difference between the two? We use phoenix worms here, so I figured that would help her out a lot, if needing more calcium is the only problem. I'm really convinced though that it is impaction, even though the vet said it wasn't. She doesn't bend her back at all when she crawls, just sort of tilts from side to side as she drags herself along. Do you think this is painful to her? She seems relatively active, considering! If need be I can have her euthanized, but it doesn't seem necessary, from watching her.

I'm just wondering if anyone here recognizes the description and can give me a story of personal experience before I take her to a second vet.
 

boxers

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She ate happily, but seemed to have a little bit of an issue with eye/mouth coordination. She missed when biting the worms a couple times.
Is this typical of leopard geckos, being nocturnal? Or is this another sign of her bad health?
 

boxers

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Now she appears to be shedding; she's very pale and sort of "powdery" looking... uninterested in food.
 

frog

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Do you have a pic? One of my geckos has a bit of a curved spine. I do not know what happened as I had gotten her from a friend who was not allowed to keep her anymore. She was already full grown. However, she can move all four limbs. And she has a perfectly healthy, regular appetite, so...

Sara
 

frog

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Also, being nocternal is what leopard geckos are. Perfectly normal behavior.

Oh, I just read how you do nor have a camera. Could you borrow a friends? I would really like to see a pic.

Sara
 

zebraflavencs

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Hi boxers,
It seems that there may be more than one thing going on with this little girl. First off, you will want a container with dampen sterilized soil for her to crawl into to help her shed. Your temps are fine. You can use a Red nocturnal light as they don't see red. I would indeed get a second opinion though, as you might be seeing something more. You will want to continue the liquid until told otherwise, as leos can indeed get a form of MBD.
I hope this helps out !
Prayers and a hug !
Janie.
 

vickson420

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Doesnt sound like impaction.If I had to guess I woud say its MBD.It wouldnt hurt to take her in to the vet for a second opinion and an xray to rule out any breaks or fractures.It is possible she can regain use of her legs but depending the extent of the damage it may be permanent.It is possible as well that she is impacted on top of the MBD as she would have issues going as well if she is weak.If you can a picture would be very helpful.In the meantime I would make sure she is getting adequate calcium alot of gecko owners just put a cap of calcium in with them and leave it to them to get te right amount of calcium but I dont think thats the right way.I would dust feeders just like you would for a beardie to ensure some of that calcium is getting in her and not all over the floor of the enclosure.

Edit:just to clear up some thing up also,just because they are nocturnal that doesnt mean they dont require calcium.
 

boxers

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frog":7571b said:
Also, being nocternal is what leopard geckos are. Perfectly normal behavior.

What I meant was, her mouth-eye coordination is a little off, is this just because she is nocturnal-- i.e., she doesn't see so well in the light? Or maybe it means something is wrong with her, neurologically?

Vicky: They gave her the liquid calcium for the prescribed one month. When it didn't do anything, he opted to give her away, as to "not spend any more money" on the problem. I still have it in case I should give it to her again. I do also have multivitamin and calcium powders-- however, the calcium has D3, which I was told I should not give to leopard geckos, so I haven't. True? And, should she still get supplements of calcium, even though we feed her phoenix worms? According to their website, powder is unnecessary, if I remember right.

She did shed her skin, and seems to have eaten most of it. She just had little "socks" which I held and she wriggled out of. She seems much brighter, and noticeably more active, though she still drags her legs and hobbles a bit. I've given her a couple baths, and she has a "moist hide" consisting of a rock cave and a damp washcloth.

I can ask a friend of mine if I can take some pictures and load them to her computer, and maybe have her email/myspace them to me or something... I think that could work out :)
 

zebraflavencs

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Yes what you heard about the d3 is indeed true. I give mine a capful of the non-d3 along with 3 feedings a week powdered. I have both a male and female aged 2 1/2 to 3 years old.
I got my calcium @ petmountain.com. I think this months' discount code is PETS.
Keep us posted, our prayers are with you !
Janie.
 

vickson420

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Yeah I am sorry I should have been more clear no D3 but if you have liquid and because of the possible MBD I would take a trip to the vet because I am thinking she still needs it.MBD isnt going to go away in a month and I am thinking they just gave up on her too quickly as you said because they didnt want to spend the time and money.As for the eyesight no she should be able to see the food no problem so that could be attributed to her health as well.If your giving the Phoenix I would still go ahead and at least for a while give her the extra calcium since she seems to need it(eating the shed can be a sign of vit. deficiency).
 

boxers

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I thought leopard geckos typically ate their whole shed? I've seen them tugging it off themselves with their little mouths before at my store. :? But then again, Petsmart geckos may not be the best to judge behaviors off of.
 

vickson420

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boxers":dc6fd said:
I thought leopard geckos typically ate their whole shed? I've seen them tugging it off themselves with their little mouths before at my store. :? But then again, Petsmart geckos may not be the best to judge behaviors off of.
No actually you are correct in that it CAN be perfectly normal for them to eat their shed and I wouldnt worry normally except this is a rescue and since the reason most eat their shed is for calcium so it was just a heads up. :wink:
 

boxers

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This is her on her washcloth, and her on our bed.
I recorded a small video of her walking, but need to find somewhere to upload it. I have to go to work now, but I will put it up tonight hopefully.

She has stopped eating and I'm afraid I'm not a very good foster for her, with all the other pets... :? If there's anyone experienced here in Sacramento, please help her out? And until then/if no one else can take her, should I resort to baby food? Try to up her temperatures?
She ignored phoenix worms, but now she is ignoring the foods she has proven herself to like, meal and waxworms. All she ate previously.
I'm not sure what to do.
 
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