Possible GNT?

Mommydragon

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Kayda
Hi everyone. Just recently joined this group. I’m looking for some answers and support.

We have a beautiful girl, Kayda, we’ve had her almost a year. She was gifted to us last September. She was growing well and eating well. We did all the research, had her set up with a 4x4x2 with a reptisun UVB T5 10.0 hood, 100 watt basking lamp, and CHE on her cool side to maintain an ambient temp of 83-85°, per her vet recommendation.
Her basking temps vary from 95-98° Since she’s a leatherback and doesn’t take to high temps. At the beginning her diet consisted of collard greens, mustard greens, and butternut squash. With crickets, dubia roaches, mealworms, hornworms, supers and BSLF. She was very picky of course! Did not take to the BSLF and preferred the Dubias. She is a 21inch 490gram beauty. She has maintained a steady weight since April.
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Earlier this year, things took a turn and she stopped eating. We took her to an exotics vet and they did blood work. They said her liver values were very high. So we got her on some herbivore critical care and milk thistle. 5 months fast forward, at her routine check up, they informed us that her liver values have doubled. So they referred us to a specialist at the VCA. We had our first appointment today, and at the initial consultation we reviewed her medical history, her lack of appetite, and her past blood work. They informed us that they felt a mass in her belly, which she believes is indicative of a gastric neuroendocrine tumor. We are doing more testing to be sure. But when I did my own research. I saw a lot of other symptoms to be vomiting, weight loss, etc. thankfully my Kayda does not have any of those symptoms yet. Just the loss of appetite and high blood glucose.

Is there anything else this could potentially be? I know we won’t know until they run the full panel for her blood work, CT scan, and ultrasound biopsy. But we just want to know what other potential ailment it can be, we want to explore other illnesses so that we can ask about them with the specialist.

Thank you all for reading. I know this was very LONG. Just a worried dragon mama here.
 

KarrieRee

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Hiccup he is 6 and Blaze is 4
Hi everyone. Just recently joined this group. I’m looking for some answers and support.

We have a beautiful girl, Kayda, we’ve had her almost a year. She was gifted to us last September. She was growing well and eating well. We did all the research, had her set up with a 4x4x2 with a reptisun UVB T5 10.0 hood, 100 watt basking lamp, and CHE on her cool side to maintain an ambient temp of 83-85°, per her vet recommendation.
Her basking temps vary from 95-98° Since she’s a leatherback and doesn’t take to high temps. At the beginning her diet consisted of collard greens, mustard greens, and butternut squash. With crickets, dubia roaches, mealworms, hornworms, supers and BSLF. She was very picky of course! Did not take to the BSLF and preferred the Dubias. She is a 21inch 490gram beauty. She has maintained a steady weight since April.
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Earlier this year, things took a turn and she stopped eating. We took her to an exotics vet and they did blood work. They said her liver values were very high. So we got her on some herbivore critical care and milk thistle. 5 months fast forward, at her routine check up, they informed us that her liver values have doubled. So they referred us to a specialist at the VCA. We had our first appointment today, and at the initial consultation we reviewed her medical history, her lack of appetite, and her past blood work. They informed us that they felt a mass in her belly, which she believes is indicative of a gastric neuroendocrine tumor. We are doing more testing to be sure. But when I did my own research. I saw a lot of other symptoms to be vomiting, weight loss, etc. thankfully my Kayda does not have any of those symptoms yet. Just the loss of appetite and high blood glucose.

Is there anything else this could potentially be? I know we won’t know until they run the full panel for her blood work, CT scan, and ultrasound biopsy. But we just want to know what other potential ailment it can be, we want to explore other illnesses so that we can ask about them with the specialist.

Thank you all for reading. I know this was very LONG. Just a worried dragon mama here.
Wow she looks beautiful - our vet tech mod on here can help you- I will flag your post to Tracie @Drache613
 

xp29

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Zen , Ruby ,Snicker Doodles, Sweet Pea, Sinatra
Are you 100% sure she isn't gravid?
1 of my girls liad 17 eggs a week ago tomorrow and i had no idea she was going to. She lost her appetite about 2 1/2 weeks before hand and was glass surfing (but she always does that, she begs to get out constantly) but she did not ever once dig and i missed the signs.
The point I'm trying to make is just make sure the vet checks the easy stuff first, we see alot of beardies here that are treated unnecessarily and sometimes with sad endings.
 

Mommydragon

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Kayda
Are you 100% sure she isn't gravid?
1 of my girls liad 17 eggs a week ago tomorrow and i had no idea she was going to. She lost her appetite about 2 1/2 weeks before hand and was glass surfing (but she always does that, she begs to get out constantly) but she did not ever once dig and i missed the signs.
The point I'm trying to make is just make sure the vet checks the easy stuff first, we see alot of beardies here that are treated unnecessarily and sometimes with sad endings.
That’s a good point. I’ve been asking that question because she’s been digging a lot lately. But they just tell me because of the results from her blood work and the high liver values and high blood glucose values, it’s GNT.

Now I’m not sure if they should do the CT scan and biopsy. They said they would have to sedate her. And that sounds risky to me.
 

Mommydragon

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Kayda
Wow she looks beautiful - our vet tech mod on here can help you- I will flag your post to Tracie @Drache613
Thank you. I have some questions about the CT scan. The vet informed us she would have to be sedated in order to do the scan. I know that runs a risk. Im not sure if we should go through with the imaging. Is there a way for them to do it without the sedation?
 

KarrieRee

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Hiccup he is 6 and Blaze is 4
Thank you. I have some questions about the CT scan. The vet informed us she would have to be sedated in order to do the scan. I know that runs a risk. Im not sure if we should go through with the imaging. Is there a way for them to do it without the sedation?
I have flagged the post again to Tracie she would be more inclined to answer that question
 

xp29

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If you can get copies of the lab reports, Tracey can look at those as well. Maybe she will see something definitive.
 

xp29

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If she is trying to dig maybe set her up a dig box and see what she does.
 

Mommydragon

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Kayda
If you can get copies of the lab reports, Tracey can look at those as well. Maybe she will see something definitive.
They’d told me that they would get the results maybe to soonest Wednesday. Once I have that, I will definitely post the resulrs
If she is trying to dig maybe set her up a dig box and see what she does.
We set up a dig corner in her basking area. She’s been having fun using it. She was going into her hide and digging, so we figured the best spot would be in her hide. Here’s a video .
 

Mommydragon

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They’d told me that they would get the results maybe to soonest Wednesday. Once I have that, I will definitely post the resulrs

We set up a dig corner in her basking area. She’s been having fun using it. She was going into her hide and digging, so we figured the best spot would be in her hide. Here’s a video .
 

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xp29

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I couldn't get it to play, but its looks like the sand is dry. It might be a good idea to moisten it, if she has eggs she will want it to hold a burrow. You don't want it wet just damp enough to hold its shape if you squeeze it into a ball.
She does look like she approves though. :)
 

Mommydragon

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Kayda
I have flagged the post again to Tracie she would be more inclined to answer that question
Hi there, we’re still waiting to see what you’d recommend for the imaging procedures. Kayda is currently stable. She is eating her slurry, twice daily. She isn’t dehydrated. And has been pooping on her weekly schedule. What are your thoughts and experience with sedation for a CT scan and ultrasound biopsy?
I’m trying to weigh the pros and cons, and assess for any risks. We want to make the best decision for her.
 

KarrieRee

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Hiccup he is 6 and Blaze is 4
Hi there, we’re still waiting to see what you’d recommend for the imaging procedures. Kayda is currently stable. She is eating her slurry, twice daily. She isn’t dehydrated. And has been pooping on her weekly schedule. What are your thoughts and experience with sedation for a CT scan and ultrasound biopsy?
I’m trying to weigh the pros and cons, and assess for any risks. We want to make the best decision for her.
Flagging again
@Drache613
 

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