Iamakel":2ciwvbwt said:Yeah, that's the one I found too. Romania is a country. It is the 12th country based on size of 48 European countries. Not tiny at all. I live in its Capital, Bucharest. If there's no many reptiles vet in its capital, I don't know what's outside of it. Well, you see, there are not many people with exotic animals in here. There are few. Even though they are sold in petshops, nobody buy them I think. Yesterday I went to a big petshop and they had beardies, something like 6-7 hatchlings in a 60x45x30 tank. Also they used sand as substrate and there was a cactus also. It is a hell when it comes to buy food. I bought 3000x adult cinerea and I started my own colony just in case. The shops sell superworms and meal worms and they are expensive compared to other countries. Like 25 cents per worm..
Drache613":2e0xikea said:Hello,
Wow Romania, welcome to the forum!
Ok, I am not familiar with that particular colloidal silver but it appears to "ok" I would think.
I doubt it was the silver that killed them unless somehow the silver was contaminated. I would
think that possibly the other elixar could have but just not sure. Aspiration in little ones is very common & usually kills them if you don't act quickly.
It may just be a severe infection of some sort, a respiratory or bacterial infection.
Can you post any pictures of that large tank & their setups then along with the lighting?
That is good you are going to get them tested. Are they doing a fecal test for adeno then?
Stargazing is many times a symptom of respiratory infections because they can't breathe very well & or the fluids are affecting their balance in the nasal cavity area.
How are they doing today?
Tracie
Iamakel":s6pdirrd said:Drache613":s6pdirrd said:Hello,
Wow Romania, welcome to the forum!
Ok, I am not familiar with that particular colloidal silver but it appears to "ok" I would think.
I doubt it was the silver that killed them unless somehow the silver was contaminated. I would
think that possibly the other elixar could have but just not sure. Aspiration in little ones is very common & usually kills them if you don't act quickly.
It may just be a severe infection of some sort, a respiratory or bacterial infection.
Can you post any pictures of that large tank & their setups then along with the lighting?
That is good you are going to get them tested. Are they doing a fecal test for adeno then?
Stargazing is many times a symptom of respiratory infections because they can't breathe very well & or the fluids are affecting their balance in the nasal cavity area.
How are they doing today?
Tracie
Hello, they were really good today. I kept them mostly outside because it was such a great day (94-95). They didn't eat that much, probably because yestersay I feed them twice and no veggies. They were used to veggies in the morning and roaches in the evening. Seems like they like big cinereas' intestines. I cut a big bug in half and his intestines come out and i put them near beardies mouth. They eat more like this than little bugs. They don't eat the bug's "flesh", just what's inside its tummy. Also the fatty one likes to eat the upper body of a big roach cut in half, almost as big as the space between his eyes (no bigger).
<<< such young hatchlings REQUIRE AT LEAST TWO bug meals PER DAY, only offer greens and veg in pm after they had their insect protein and dietary calcium , not before, else they will not get enough dietsry calcium or protein to thrive and grow properly.
I keep the babies, now they are 4, you know.. in this viv (the viv I got when I got the adults, the girl sold them with the viv too; I disinfect it etc):
http://i.imgur.com/Qs9NMtD.jpg
The lights are: ReptiGlo 2.0 Tube <<< reptiglow 2.0%uvb compact is worthless for bearded dragons , totally inadequate even if 26W version, please replace this tube with a 26W reptiglow 10%uvb
see http://www.exo-terra.com/en/products/compact_fluorescent_bulbs.php
OR 26W UVB200 ( I use these in nanohoods , bulb is 8 inch from basking spot)
see nano version here http://www.exo-terra.com/en/products/compact_top.php
and see http://www.exo-terra.com/en/products/reptile_uvb200.php
or BETTER a t5 arcadia 12%uvb tube in a reflector hood mounted under the lid
see http://www.arcadia-reptile.com/fluorescent-lamps/t5-d3plus-desert/
http://www.habistat.org/Lighting/lighting-hoods/arcadia-24w-reptile-t5-slimline-with-12-t5-lamp?sort=pd.name&order=ASC&limit=25
, do this as a very high priority ,else your hatchlings will wind up with MBD and serious neurological problems and they will fail to thrive .
,with JBL ReptilSpot HaloDym 28W 2650 K for heat but also on the box of it it says 40W in the top of the bulb. This was the main setup that their parents lived for about 2 years. I changed the lights ofc, but I kept the same brand and power.
<<<<
this
https://www.jbl.de/?lang=en&mod=products&func=detail&id=5929 ?
I have no information on the quality of JBL brand uv lighting , however Neodymium globes are not a good choice of basking light, better off with something like http://www.lighting.philips.com/main/prof/conventional-lamps/incandescent-lamps/reflector-nr-r-par-e-a-p-pc-shape/par38/923810545580_EU/product , just light and heat , and lots cheaper than
Neodymium globes which have poor longevity and often have a poor uv spectra .
This is the new adults' viv. It was meant for an Iguana, but I put out the branches and the leaves to make more space. I kept the same decorations they lived with. They bask on a big piece of wood that's holding the hide wood in the photo. The hide wood I put in the cold spot of the viv during the day. When the evening is approaching the male wants to sleep so I make a hiding spot under the basking spot. The female gets a closer spot of basking by climbing on the wood then she goes to sleep too under it. They are smarter than the people say. They will only poop on the newspaper and in bath room during baths. I keep them daily on the floor and when they need to poop they go back in the viv, eat a bit then poop. That's how that girl taught them, I guess.
<<< I repeat - PLEASE SEPARATE this pair , they will be much better off in their own 4x2x2 vivs.
&
PLEASE separate the remaining 4 hatchlings into their own rearing tubs too , both these are a matter of high priority .
&
As well as providing adequate UVA and UVB for all SIX of your beardied (AT LEAST 10% UVB rated 26W bulbs or 10% UVB rated T5 tubes , also very high priority , as is testing mom and dad beardies for AV.
You have some work and expenses - but these are UNAVOIDABLE and NECESSARY if you want your tribe of beardies to be healthy.
http://i.imgur.com/XeJ72O6.jpg
The lights in this viv are: ReptiGlo 2.0 bulb and Terra Ceramic 150W for basking <<< sorry this is but NOT GOOD . See comments above.
Iamakel":8nbu7jsr said:Thank you. I will make the babies' viv in 4 sections and I will distribute them individually in it, also I need to change the position of the lights. Yes, the heat bulb in the babies' tank is the one you linked there from JBL's site. Here, there's only one brand pet shop called Animax that deal with reptiles and their needs. Here's their links of UVB bulbs:
https://animax.ro/lampa-mega-sun-uvb-5.0-26w.html <<< NO GOOD is only 5%UVB
https://animax.ro/lampa-terariu-ultrasun-100-w-reptiles-planet.html <<< 100W MVB is OK for heat, light , UVA and UVB
https://animax.ro/jbl-reptil-jungle-uv-190.html <<< 8%UVB but only 15W so wont have the penetration power in UVA and UVB so NO GOOD
https://animax.ro/solar-reptil-jungle-900-mm-30-w-ro.html <<< NO GOOD is only a 5%UVB tube
https://animax.ro/lampa-repti-glo-5.0-30-w.html <<< NO GOOD is only a 5%UVB compact https://animax.ro/reptisun-fluorescent-10-uvb-desert.html <<< might be OK - it's a 10%UVB compact IF ITS the 26W and not the 13W version.
https://animax.ro/lampa-mega-sun-uvb-10.0-13-w.html <<< NO GOOD only 13W so not enough penetration power in the UVA and UVB generated.
https://animax.ro/jbl-solar-uv-spot-160w.html (this one is hella expensive) <<< NO GOOD only rated 7%UVB , seems not all MVBs are created equal .
https://animax.ro/exo-terra-bec-sunray-50w.html <<< Metal Halides (this is one) have a good reputation, unfortunately even though this series Exo Terra Metal Halides globe are cheap , the special fittings needed to drive them are VERY EXPENSIVE. ( a ExoTerra 50W MHG + ExoTerra MHG FIXTURE will set you back $350 - $400 here in Australia , so I can't see many keepers of beardies anywhere using these irrespective of how good they might be. )
That's all. They got ReptiGlo 5.0 in stores, I saw it but that's the bigger I saw. Ofc they got those expensive ones that I listed above. Yes, you don't understand Romanian but their names are in the links so you can get a clue of a good one, probably something you use too.
I can't separate the adults now, probably in few weeks due to incapability of buying a new viv. I'm going to change their UVB bulb too, but tell me with which one listed above, except the expensive one (80$). Also keep in mind that in the adults viv I'm using a Terra Ceramic 150W
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