kingofnobbys":1jy59wub said:Looks like it to me .... his prognosis is not good if he is as it's indicative of Atadenovirus and if he has it , his entire clutch has it.
http://blogs.thatpetplace.com/thatreptileblog/2012/08/28/bearded-dragon-health-atadenovirus-wasting-disease-star-gazing/#.WUEv9zE6yHs
If you are the breeder, never allow that clutch's parents to ever breed again as it's unethical to allow Atadenovirus positive male and females to reproduce , Atadenovirus is highly infectious and fatal..
Every one of them needs to be separately housed and you need to have good hygiene (washing hands so no cross contamination occurs if they are all from different clutches - likely too late already though.
Iamakel":zon2qmp3 said:kingofnobbys":zon2qmp3 said:Looks like it to me .... his prognosis is not good if he is as it's indicative of Atadenovirus and if he has it , his entire clutch has it.
http://blogs.thatpetplace.com/thatreptileblog/2012/08/28/bearded-dragon-health-atadenovirus-wasting-disease-star-gazing/#.WUEv9zE6yHs
If you are the breeder, never allow that clutch's parents to ever breed again as it's unethical to allow Atadenovirus positive male and females to reproduce , Atadenovirus is highly infectious and fatal..
Every one of them needs to be separately housed and you need to have good hygiene (washing hands so no cross contamination occurs if they are all from different clutches - likely too late already though.
Yeah it is too late. I'm going to quote myself from a previous post. I'm not a breeder, I just did it one time for a couple of friends that wanted beardies and give them for free.
In December 2016 I bought my two beardies from a girl that couldn't keep them anymore. In my city, one beardie is 122$ and I bought both of them + terarium with 50$. She wanted to sell them as she was a 9th grader and couldn't maintain school + "parenting" so I mostly got them to help her out and because I love animals. When she got them (from a bad breeder), she got them tailless mostly:
http://imgur.com/EuPhEv5
The breeder told her that they are sister and brother but after I got them I did some research and noticed that the girl (yellowish white) is a Pogona Minor and the boy is a regular Pogona Vitticeps (I don't know how they could be brothers to be honest): <<< Pogona Minor is very rare outside Australia , and even in Australia very few keepers have them (restrictions on interstate exports from WA) .... if you have a Pogona Minor (Minor Minor , Minor Mitchelli or Minor Maxima) it's like originally wildcaught and trafficked.
It takes a good eye to pick the 4 species Minor Minor, Minor Michelli , Minor Maxima and smaller Vitticepps apart , and there is overlap in their natural ranges so you may a hybrid of mixed parentage in one of the parents.
http://i.imgur.com/NPaUPxL.jpg - the male
the female I think is a Pogona Minor:
http://i.imgur.com/yIKxVMK.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/EMSKWQ8.jpg
Whatever, the "fishy" thing I'm creating this topic is this. She kept them together for one year and half and so did I. They don't fight and the girl (even she's smaller) seems more dominant than the male. I tried to separate them but they seem sad one without other (not eating much, hardly active etc). She laid eggs 4 times in 2 years. I decided in February to keep them. I had 7 eggs in the homemade incubator and all of them made it. One died after getting out of the egg and one died because he had such a big eggsack. Now they are all good. I feed them vegetables in the morning (around 10-11am) and Cinerea in the evening (around 5pm). I have a little colony of Cinerea due to my 3 tarantulas and I feed the beardies with the babies from the roaches. I tried feed them 3 times a day but they won't eat that much.
<<< I don't like the sounds of that - please separate them pair ASAP and no more breeding with these two, they will soon adjust to being in their own personal vivs , and will likely "communicate" with each other when one or the other is out , esp if the sick hatchling tests pos for AV.
The one with the "broken" tail doesn't hunt by himself so I have to give him food by hand (opening his mouth with the little roach's head and put the head inside his month so he starts chewing and eating). Is this normal? He's not blind. I checked. He's observing everything around him when I take him out!
https://m.imgur.com/m6cZZVL?r"
There is nothing else to do if they all are infested, right?
PS: the rest of them seem fine, no actions of atadenovirus yet. Now when I think better, if they make it to adulthood I'm going to keep them all.
edit: the one with simptoms seems weakened. I put them to sleep and after 5 minutes I looked in the viv and he was on his back and I put him back to normal..
Iamakel":1wiplfff said:Okay so I started looking around for medicinal ways to increase the immune system of the stargazer. 2 of my 5 baby beardies were small, skinny and not eating by themselves. I always fed them by hand. The other 3 seem fine, eating and so on.
Today I went to a vet (definetly not knowing about bearded dragons) and told her I've got bearded dragons that are suffering from Atadenovirus. I asked her for Colloidal Silver and she gave me this used mostly for 6+months children.
http://imgur.com/aCRAvKY
http://i.imgur.com/Vsotugj.jpg
It was her only big colloidal silver. It cost me 25 bucks and the other ones were like 6-7 bucks. I went for the most expensive. I bought two insulin syringes and went home. I broke the needle of one and went to 0,5ml of colloidal silver. I started to give it to the one with the zigzag tail (photos above). He seemed fine, eating it kinda. HE WAS NOT STARGAZING LIKE THE OTHER ONE BUT HE WAS WEAK. Today in the morning the stargazer looked fine, no stargazing no nothing. He was basking, hiding etc. After I gave the liquid to the zigzag tailled he started stargazing and open his mouth while doing that. I thought it may be some respiration problem so I put him close to the heat bulb. After few minutes he started getting weaker. I put them in a lil bit of water, he relaxed and died (he didn't put his head in the water causing an eventually drowing). That's the 3rd death of my babies. There are 4 more and the stargazer. I wanted to give this colloidal silver to the other 3 too but I'm not going to risk it. If the problems occurs with the stargazer tomorrow I'm going to buy the 6-7 colloidal silver on which is a big title of "COLLOIDAL SILVER". I take it as my mistake. I wasted money on this ***** medication that killed my baby. I tasted it a little bit and it is very mint. I went directly for the vet's advice but it seems a bad one.
Take care all, I hope at least one of the babies will survive. I let them incubate just to not kill the eggs in the fridge.. now this is happening to them while grown babies..
What you suggest me to do? I'm really stressed about this thing + the fact that this summer I'm starting the veterinary medicine college and there goes a lot of exams during this period. I'm giving them as much as I can...
Drache613":2i8psljz said:Hello,
Are you in Europe or Australia?
The bottle you posted a pic of isn't colloidal silver though, it is a nutritional supplement.
It is possible your little one aspirated the liquid, but also, it has potassium in it which it
could have been too high of dose perhaps.
It's ironic you mention colloidal silver because true colloidal silver is what I have been
using & tweaking for treating & a potential cure for Adeno. I hate to hear you are having
so many issues. It definitely does sound like Adeno symptoms.
Let me know where you are located because not all areas have testing that can be done
on such small dragons. They are under 100 grams so too small to have blood drawn.
If you have not already separated them, please do so just so they can relax & have their
own space. Keep them around 80 overnight, to help boost their immune systems.
Please review your tank setup as well, so we can be sure it is all correct. What types of
supplements are you giving them?
Tracie
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