NOVA; UGA; EGGS -- EDITED FOR UPDATE

acidburn01

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Welp. We brought Nova back to do a recheck ultrasound at 10am this morning. We hadn't heard anything back all day today until just now. Chris got a voicemail from the vet. Essentially, the vet spoke with the surgeon and to give them a call back. So we did and they said there's no eggs, but some small follicles and they think she's a good candidate for going through with the surgery right now. But, like. I don't wanna hear a "i think she's a good candidate for this super invasive, traumatic and horrific surgery that doesn't have the greatest odds". Y'know.? From this surgeon, who's supposedly like one of the best, I wanna hear a "yes, this is her best chance to have this surgery as safe as possible." I need more definites than "i think" or "I believe". Y'all, I'm on the edge of a full-fledged panic attack. I know she needs it, I know it's causing the heart disease and fatty liver and it will improve both of those but.. fuuuuuuuuu--my anxiety can't take it. My heart can't take it. We brought Toothless with us, in case Nova needed a blood transfusion. The vet said he is big and weighs enough that, should she need one, he'd be perfect. So, I guess that worry is a little less. Sorta. But there are still so many things that could go wrong and she's had bad thing after bad thing after bad thing after bad thing stacked against her lately, it's like... I've almost come to expect something bad to happen during this.

Mentally, I don't know how I'm going to get through this. I'm worried that Im going to be so wrapped in my anxiety that I won't be able to provide her with the proper care to prevent secondary infection or anything like that. I'm way in over my head and don't know what the hell to do.

ETA: we spoke with the surgeon. He said there's some follicles and they're about 5cm right now. He originally said he thinks we should wait a week or two so she can have some recovery/nutritional recovery but when chris mentioned how quickly she was going from no follicles, to follicles to eggs to laying within a week or so of it all starting, he thinks we should go ahead and do it. Barring tragic complications, he said mortality was like 1 in 100 and she still basically had like a 90%+ chance of being around in 2025, as he put it. He said her ovaries could be a bit bigger come a week, thus making the surgery a bit safer/easier but at the same time, it could make it harder on her or she could reabsorb them entirely or within a week or so, make eggs and lay them. He said when beardies have this reproductive issue like Nova is having, nine times out of ten, they lay over and over and over until they die of exhaustion so he's fairly confident in her chances of being fine. One of the worst parts is the originally told us we could pick her up to be with us for the night but then came back and said because the hospital was closed, it'd be "really difficult" to get her out to us, whatever that means. 🙄🙄 Anyway, so we have to bring Toothless up there at 8am sharp, they're going to check him in, do a check up to make sure he's all good and keep him on standby, in case she needs blood. They're going to let us visit Nova for a little bit while they do that and then do the surgery. He said, exempting complications and whatnot, we'll be taking her home by, like, Wednesday afternoon. So, excuse me while I take a handful of kolonopin and take a long nap until Wednesday afternoon. 😭😭😢😢

Enjoy this photo of Nova in a messy tank because she likes to kick her salad everywhere but will mean mug the hell out of me when I won't give her a bug.😂
 

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acidburn01

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From as many surgeries as I can remember reading about, I can't think off hand of any that didn't survive, some even eating the day after, most within a few days. This is probably the right move and I expect that she'll do fine. Let's go Nova !
I'm really hoping that is the case with her. I know she needs this surgery, that it's what's best for her health but it's so damn scary.
 

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Welp. We brought Nova back to do a recheck ultrasound at 10am this morning. We hadn't heard anything back all day today until just now. Chris got a voicemail from the vet. Essentially, the vet spoke with the surgeon and to give them a call back. So we did and they said there's no eggs, but some small follicles and they think she's a good candidate for going through with the surgery right now. But, like. I don't wanna hear a "i think she's a good candidate for this super invasive, traumatic and horrific surgery that doesn't have the greatest odds". Y'know.? From this surgeon, who's supposedly like one of the best, I wanna hear a "yes, this is her best chance to have this surgery as safe as possible." I need more definites than "i think" or "I believe". Y'all, I'm on the edge of a full-fledged panic attack. I know she needs it, I know it's causing the heart disease and fatty liver and it will improve both of those but.. fuuuuuuuuu--my anxiety can't take it. My heart can't take it. We brought Toothless with us, in case Nova needed a blood transfusion. The vet said he is big and weighs enough that, should she need one, he'd be perfect. So, I guess that worry is a little less. Sorta. But there are still so many things that could go wrong and she's had bad thing after bad thing after bad thing after bad thing stacked against her lately, it's like... I've almost come to expect something bad to happen during this.

Mentally, I don't know how I'm going to get through this. I'm worried that Im going to be so wrapped in my anxiety that I won't be able to provide her with the proper care to prevent secondary infection or anything like that. I'm way in over my head and don't know what the hell to do.

ETA: we spoke with the surgeon. He said there's some follicles and they're about 5cm right now. He originally said he thinks we should wait a week or two so she can have some recovery/nutritional recovery but when chris mentioned how quickly she was going from no follicles, to follicles to eggs to laying within a week or so of it all starting, he thinks we should go ahead and do it. Barring tragic complications, he said mortality was like 1 in 100 and she still basically had like a 90%+ chance of being around in 2025, as he put it. He said her ovaries could be a bit bigger come a week, thus making the surgery a bit safer/easier but at the same time, it could make it harder on her or she could reabsorb them entirely or within a week or so, make eggs and lay them. He said when beardies have this reproductive issue like Nova is having, nine times out of ten, they lay over and over and over until they die of exhaustion so he's fairly confident in her chances of being fine. One of the worst parts is the originally told us we could pick her up to be with us for the night but then came back and said because the hospital was closed, it'd be "really difficult" to get her out to us, whatever that means. 🙄🙄 Anyway, so we have to bring Toothless up there at 8am sharp, they're going to check him in, do a check up to make sure he's all good and keep him on standby, in case she needs blood. They're going to let us visit Nova for a little bit while they do that and then do the surgery. He said, exempting complications and whatnot, we'll be taking her home by, like, Wednesday afternoon. So, excuse me while I take a handful of kolonopin and take a long nap until Wednesday afternoon. 😭😭😢😢

Enjoy this photo of Nova in a messy tank because she likes to kick her salad everywhere but will mean mug the hell out of me when I won't give her a bug.😂
She is so beautiful. I truly hope everything turns out all right. She is precious.
 

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Hello,

I agree, at the moment, Nova looks great & doesn't appear stressed. She has a higher chance of full
recovery getting the surgery than she does without. Excessive laying will eventually lead to early death
which is very hard to watch them go through.
AHBD is right, this is the best move you can do for Nova.
We are all pulling for her!

Tracie
 

acidburn01

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Get well soon Nova!!!!!
I'm on edge right there with you, please update us as soon as she is out of surgery (and she is all better!!!!)
The biggest xomfort about this all, i think, is her surgeon is Dr. Divers and he's world-renowned and one of the number one docs for reptile anesthesia so thankfully, she's in pretty good hands.
 

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The biggest xomfort about this all, i think, is her surgeon is Dr. Divers and he's world-renowned and one of the number one docs for reptile anesthesia so thankfully, she's in pretty good hands.
That is good indeed! (Tell him there is a world wide community that will be gunning for him if he screws up! 😉)
 

acidburn01

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That is good indeed! (Tell him there is a world wide community that will be gunning for him if he screws up! 😉)
Oh, I think he's well aware of how protective we are of her. We had a long conversation on the phone with him last night and asked *every* single question we could think of, even if it was dumb and something we inherently already knew. I questioned his ability, his credentials, all of it. Basically, the "you screw up, I'm coming for your hide" threat was well-noted. He told us a thousand times that he was very confident that she would be fine, that she'd do great and ultimately, would be the best health choice for her and was even like, "I understand you're wanting to make sure she's well taken care of. I promise I hear the undertone." 😂😂

The nurse said she was slated for 10 and the surgery should only take like an hour ish. She said they'd prolly call around 2, but I wish they at least would have called when they finished to let us know. She left us with a "if something bad happened, we'll call you immediately" and they haven't called so.. i guess that makes me feel better.?

Yesterday, chris was filling out some forms and she asked, if need be, do we want them to perform cpr on her, to which we said yes. And this other student in the room just blurted, "cpr on bearded dragons has a *very* low success rate. It's almost pointless". And it was just... crickets. Like, I know. Cpr on people doesn't even yield that well but like.??? Unnecessary.??? So... uuughhhhh i just wanna hear something from the vetttttttttt
 

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Oh, I think he's well aware of how protective we are of her. We had a long conversation on the phone with him last night and asked *every* single question we could think of, even if it was dumb and something we inherently already knew. I questioned his ability, his credentials, all of it. Basically, the "you screw up, I'm coming for your hide" threat was well-noted. He told us a thousand times that he was very confident that she would be fine, that she'd do great and ultimately, would be the best health choice for her and was even like, "I understand you're wanting to make sure she's well taken care of. I promise I hear the undertone." 😂😂

The nurse said she was slated for 10 and the surgery should only take like an hour ish. She said they'd prolly call around 2, but I wish they at least would have called when they finished to let us know. She left us with a "if something bad happened, we'll call you immediately" and they haven't called so.. i guess that makes me feel better.?

Yesterday, chris was filling out some forms and she asked, if need be, do we want them to perform cpr on her, to which we said yes. And this other student in the room just blurted, "cpr on bearded dragons has a *very* low success rate. It's almost pointless". And it was just... crickets. Like, I know. Cpr on people doesn't even yield that well but like.??? Unnecessary.??? So... uuughhhhh i just wanna hear something from the vetttttttttt
She is an *****. Christina and I did cpr on Zen for almost 3 hours when he aspirated. We absolutely saved him that night. It was pneumonia that he passed from weeks later.
Hopefully cpr won't be needed in any event anyways, but yes people try if needed. Dohhh.
 

acidburn01

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She is an *****. Christina and I did cpr on Zen for almost 3 hours when he aspirated. We absolutely saved him that night. It was pneumonia that he passed from weeks later.
Hopefully cpr won't be needed in any event anyways, but yes people try if needed. Dohhh.
Hello,

I agree, at the moment, Nova looks great & doesn't appear stressed. She has a higher chance of full
recovery getting the surgery than she does without. Excessive laying will eventually lead to early death
which is very hard to watch them go through.
AHBD is right, this is the best move you can do for Nova.
We are all pulling for her!

Tracie
From as many surgeries as I can remember reading about, I can't think off hand of any that didn't survive, some even eating the day after, most within a few days. This is probably the right move and I expect that she'll do fine. Let's go Nova !
Well, we called the vet and finally heard from them. They said they were delayed because of some other stuff going on at the hospital but they had just finished and closed her up. They said her ovaries were pretty small, but they were able to completely get them and they left her ovaduct. I can't remember why they said that was. She also said they removed a little granuloma, but she thinks it was something from her last cycle. BUT she said Nova did great, no complications and no need for blood from Toothless. They're going to sit and monitor her as she wakes up and starts to recover and will call us in awhile about picking up Toothless for the night. They said Nova will definitely stay there tonight but will most likely be going home tomorrow afternoon, if not in the first part of the day. So, thank God we're (at least kinda) over that hump.
 

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