MrSpectrum":ova9su6z said:So it can be easily removed & replaced if it does get messed up--same as newspaper, paper towel, etc. Sometimes the adhesive type comes off easily; other times, it can leave small pieces attached, which then have to be scraped off.
The non-adhesive can still be tacked down along edges & seams with painters (or other easily removable) tape. This kind of liner is also (IME) less likely to allow moisture (wet poop) to soak in or leak through, which is also a blessing in disguise... :wink:
MrSpectrum":1jv6blbz said:Right. As far as out-gassing, I'd be more concerned with the liner material itself. I use it under the tile floor (taped seams & edges) to catch anything that may--pun intended--slip through the cracks. Keeps any out-gassing to a minimum, because there's no exposed vinyl.
Even though ZaRDoZ is paper trained, he isn't 100%, and does occasionally dump a big wet stinkie right on a seam between tiles. Fortunately, the Nature's Miracle for Stinky Dragons I use is very good at seeping down those same cracks, killing any odors, bacteria, etc. When opening the enclosure doors, all anyone can smell is basil (from the basil forest). IME, vinegar takes a while to dissipate--may be less of an issue with a screened/open top.
If you're using it as a liner under paper towel, I'd just tape it down on the edges & seams so it can be replaced if necessary. Covering it with paper towel should also reduce outgassing.
I really don't know how much of an issue the outgassing is (but I tend to err on the side of caution). I do know that it's come up in questions about the product(s) on Amazon.
non-adhesive shelf liner "outgassing"
https://www.amazon.com/product-reviews/B01J7X4XKI?reviewerType=all_reviews
https://www.amazon.com/ask/questions/TxTXMTFS7W5N3P/ref=ask_ql_ql_al_hza
It's not specifically--that's just my little joke because it works so well. We've been using the original stuff with our Ol' Furfaces for nearly 40 years. It's this one. There used to be a lizard on the label or the ad--can't recall which. They also make a cage odor eliminator for small animals. I don't really know the difference. We bought a bottle of the first stuff back in Nov., and I'm still working on that--got about 1/4 of it left. Just a couple/few spritzes do the trick.DragonPete":3gbwz4mm said:I've seen you refer to the Natures Miracle. Didn't know they made something for dragons.
MrSpectrum":wkyc8h57 said:It's not specifically--that's just my little joke because it works so well. We've been using the original stuff with our Ol' Furfaces for nearly 40 years. It's this one. There used to be a lizard on the label or the ad--can't recall which. They also make a cage odor eliminator for small animals. I don't really know the difference. We bought a bottle of the first stuff back in Nov., and I'm still working on that--got about 1/4 of it left. Just a couple/few spritzes do the trick.DragonPete":wkyc8h57 said:I've seen you refer to the Natures Miracle. Didn't know they made something for dragons.
I should have said, "that's just my little joke because it works so well and I have a stinky dragon!"DragonPete":20dxpwih said:MrSpectrum":20dxpwih said:It's not specifically--that's just my little joke because it works so well. We've been using the original stuff with our Ol' Furfaces for nearly 40 years. It's this one. There used to be a lizard on the label or the ad--can't recall which. They also make a cage odor eliminator for small animals. I don't really know the difference. We bought a bottle of the first stuff back in Nov., and I'm still working on that--got about 1/4 of it left. Just a couple/few spritzes do the trick.DragonPete":20dxpwih said:I've seen you refer to the Natures Miracle. Didn't know they made something for dragons.
Hahaha! ? I thought they actually made something for dragons! ?
I tried vinegar, but personally I couldn't take the odor/smell, it took too long to dissipate, and I didn't know how Z would feel about/react to it. Whatever works. :wink:I buy white vinegar by the gallon so have been using that for now.?
MrSpectrum":1h7czp95 said:I should have said, "that's just my little joke because it works so well and I have a stinky dragon!"DragonPete":1h7czp95 said:MrSpectrum":1h7czp95 said:It's not specifically--that's just my little joke because it works so well. We've been using the original stuff with our Ol' Furfaces for nearly 40 years. It's this one. There used to be a lizard on the label or the ad--can't recall which. They also make a cage odor eliminator for small animals. I don't really know the difference. We bought a bottle of the first stuff back in Nov., and I'm still working on that--got about 1/4 of it left. Just a couple/few spritzes do the trick.DragonPete":1h7czp95 said:I've seen you refer to the Natures Miracle. Didn't know they made something for dragons.
Hahaha! ? I thought they actually made something for dragons! ?
I tried vinegar, but personally I couldn't take the odor/smell, it took too long to dissipate, and I didn't know how Z would feel about/react to it. Whatever works. :wink:I buy white vinegar by the gallon so have been using that for now.?
Baking soda I get (relate to)--DW buys it by the keg. (Kidding, but large containers) Corn starch is what we used to use to absorb puppy accidents (follow-up with NM). Lately, she's on a peroxide kick....DragonPete":whm8hp4g said:What I meant was I use vinegar for all kinds of cleaning not just Petey's tank. When I use it there, it is diluted and I rinse and dry well so there is little to no odor. I use it for mopping floors, cleaning windows, cleaning kittens accidents, etc. A cup in the rinse cycle does great to deodorize pet blankets and pillows. That's why I buy it by the gallon ? I consider it to be 1 of the best natural cleaners and deodorizer once it dries. 98% of stuff in my house is cleaned with vinegar, baking soda or Murphy's Oil soap.
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-Dee
I can't send pms if I use any emojis.MrSpectrum":2ao82px3 said:How strong a solution of peroxide? Ol' Furface is going into surgery soon, and we expect some leakage.
(And this editor keeps giving me errors when I try to send PMs...)
My bad--I should have been clearer/more specific.DragonPete":1tc7gzr5 said:I use peroxide full strength.
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