volyballplayr":f90ab said:Hi
I bought my dragon about 9 months ago. When I bought him they said that he was around 3months old. However when i compared him to my friends 3month, He seemed way to small so I just assumed that he was the runt.
But now 9 months later he has not grown. for being a yr old. he is between 8-10 in. from nose to tail. He eats like crazy!!! very active always running around or trying to dig.
His basking area is around 90 degree's and his cooling temp is around 75ish. depending on my room temp. but never below 75.
I've given him meal worms. wax worms. nutrient spray and powder (recommended to me by a breeder) but even she doesn't know what is wrong with him and why he isn't growing, She thought he might be a Rhankin, or maybe he was 'inbred' but we dont know because i don't know the parents. So I was hoping someone on here can help me..
Please and Thank you
Bri
PeekABoo":9373c said:Hi,
I had a similar problem with my baby Boo. At 3 1/2 months he was very small with a nipped tail so i figured i got a runt. We received another one who we thought was the same age when we first got her because they were the same size. She started growing rapidly. She even shed all her skin in the course of a day. She is doing well. Boo on the other hand has grown maybe half an inch. I tried changing a lot of things, lights, vitamin supplements, insects and salads figuring maybe it was calcium intake. Still no change, he`s also very lively and looks very happy.
After trying everything I could think of I finally decided to take him to the vet. Maybe he had parasites. This was two weeks ago. Since I have started giving him his medicine he has started to show more of a belly after he has ate and is starting to shed again. The vet had told me it was either parasite, or what she has seen in a many reptiles and snakes is that they cannot thrive. She said they become a hatchling and just cannot get past that stage (possibly what you mean by micro beardie Embee). Looks like I`m lucky and it is just parasites, but maybe a vet visit is in order for you. Although it could be many different factors as was mentioned by Embee. This is just my personal experience.
Melissa
Embee":378b6 said:or other health issues.
How is your dragon doing btw? Haven't heard back in awhile...
The best,
Em
PeekABoo":c9ea0 said:Embee":c9ea0 said:or other health issues.
How is your dragon doing btw? Haven't heard back in awhile...
The best,
Em
hey Thanks,
I'm glad yours is doing well to. One of the first things was UVB bulb. I had a compact. I went to the reptglo 10.0 tube, but have been searching for a repti sun and when I find one I will replace my UVB again.
I played around with the basking bulb alot, it was either too hot or too cold I went from a 40 watt household(too cold) to a 60 watt household(still not enough). So I upped my temps again with a 75 watt basking bulb. It's too hot somedays so I have to point the fan so it goes over the cage. It cools it just enough. I even had the mistake of a colored bulb. My Boo didn't like that so it changed fast.
The other thing was calci sand. Big mistake for my baby, I found out after research. He now has terrarium liner. After going through these changes he was always getting a little more livelier, but still not growing.
My next thought was not enough calcium, this is when I ordered pheonix worms, the shipping was more than the worms, but even so it was worth it. He gobbled those up, and after eating nine he looked really skinny. Then his appetite decreased a bit(he wasn't shedding though). This is when I realized it might be something else, but I discovered the vitamin B complex. Which is supposed to help your lizard in every aspect from appetite, to energy level. It wasn't available in Canada, so I figured I might try a vitamin spray. After this he started to look skinnier so I gave in and took him to the vet. My coworkers laughed when I asked to leave work to take my lizard to the vet lol.
Since the vet visit thinks have been looking up and Boo is starting to shed. I'm excited. The vet even phoned to check up on the little guy.
Bri, I'd like to here if yours is doing well to. I hope so.
Melissa
Can you tell me a bit more about the lighting and heating in the tank? What are you using as a UVB source? Is your basking bulb a bright white type? What are you using to gauge basking temps and where are you gauging them, directly under the basking bulb, or just that "side" of the tank? The reason I ask is that if you are gauging just that side of the tank and the temps are running at 90, the temps directly under the bulb are likely MUCH higher, possibly dangerously high, which can cause dehydration and sometimes, worse. Are you bathing beardie regularly?
Also, meal worms and wax worms are high in fat and offer little nutrition for beardies (i.e., they are not considered staple feeders). Ideally, you want to be feeding high protein/low fat, nutritious feeders such as gut loaded crickets, dubias, phoenix worms, silks, etc. Young beardies should be offered live feeders, 2-3 times per day as many as they will eat in 10 -15 minutes. You say you are using a "nutrient spray" however, are you supplementing his diet (5 meals per week) with calcium powder? When you say he "eats like crazy" can you be more specific? How often is he offered live feeders, and how many does he eat? Healthy, young dragons will often consume 40-100 live feeders per day. Here is a link to an excellent resource list on feeding dragons: http://www.beautifuldragons.503xtreme.com/Nutrition.html
Another reason to avoid mealworms is that their hard "chitin" shell presents an impaction risk, especially for young/small dragons.
The answers to those questions (in bold) should get us started.Indeed, if your dragon has not grown at all since you've had him I imagine there is possibly something in the husbandry that needs to be addressed. I wouldn't rule out the possibility of him being Rankins/Lawsons, but as they are relatively rare, the usually scenario is that you have there, a "micro-beardie" which is something I have a little experience with (I have a recovering micro-beardie myself). Let's see if we can't do some troubleshooting and find something that can be changed for your "little guy" so that he can grow and thrive.
Oh, as to the UVB source, please be specific: type of bulb (coil, compact, tube), and brand (ReptiGlo, ReptiSun, etc).
The best,
Em
volyballplayr":ad11b said:Sorry guys i've been working alot and haven't had alot of time to check this. :/ My dragon is shedding for the second time since i've gotten him yay :] i upped the temp as suggested. But i think having my female in the same tank with him is encouraging him to grow....
This is the sad part though :[
My parents say that i have to get rid of one of my dragons. :[ So now OP is up for sale :[ i'm sooooo sad. And on top of that. My female will be basking on her branch just posted up there and when OP walks under her, she will look at me to see if i'm looking and if she thinks i'm not...SHE JUMPS ON TOP OF HIM!!! :/ it is the funniest thing i've seen however is scares OP out of his mind. sooo i took her out and put her in a seperate tank because i didn't know if this was an aggressive action or if they were playing.. but it didn't look like she was playing to me and OP wasn't enjoying it thats for sure... soooo any one want to buy my baby from me :[
We've made a lot of the same changes, Melissa. Your story sounds VERY familiar. We had a compact as well (a Zilla, the WORST :roll: ), and sand for one day before we dumped it in favor of repti-carpet. We also had trouble with temps in our starter tank (are you using a smaller tank for now as well, I wonder?). Ours was a 15 gallon and 50w was too little, 60w sometimes too much. I wished I'd had my adjustable lamp stand back then (I had to buy one for the MVB we're using now in her larger enclosure, and it would have been ideal in controlling temps in the starter tank). We also went for the phoenix worms, which along with changing the husbandry really helped stimulate appetite. All things considered however, I believe it was the UVB that was the biggest issue in lack of appetite and stunted growth. When we switched from the compact to a ReptiSun tube in her smaller enclosure, she was feeling better within HOURS, and it was quite amazing to witness! More energy, eating more, sleeping less. What a relief. Now under her MVB, she has really taken off...
I hope you're able to find a ReptiSun tube soon. I think you will be VERY pleased with the change. You've probably had to be very careful with the ReptiGlo 10.0, yes? They do have a certain amount of unpredictability about them. That's great that your vet is so attentive! Hope Boo has a wonderful shed, resulting in new and beautiful colors!
The best,
Em
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