How long can beardies be (act) gravid?

zampano

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Hi all - we think our Tifa might be gravid for the first time. She's 2 years and 4 months old, and her belly feels bigger and I'm feeling what I think are eggs around the sides of her torso. We happen to have a vet appointment scheduled for a checkup in 2 days so I should be able to get an expert confirmation.

Her behavior's seemed a little weird to me though. 4 days ago she was hanging out in the apartment with us being social, and started doing the slow circular arm waving - both arms alternatingly - and I've never caught her doing this before. Later that night the arm waving had stopped and the head bobbing began. Again, never seen her bobbing her head. But two days ago she was doing it so much that it felt like she was doing it once every 60 seconds at times. Never seemed aggressive though, and she's not doing it at/towards anything in particular.

She looks healthy and happy. She's been social, has good color, her appetite generally hasn't changed. I guess she didn't really eat her salad yesterday/today, but that happens.

Then yesterday I took her out to hang out, and she took right to our carpet, and started trying to dig into it. I tried giving her fleece blankets and paper towels and bins to encourage her to try burrowing around, but she was just interested in the carpet. Same thing today. She doesn't do this in her viv, only when she's out here.

Sorry - I'll get to the question! Assuming she's actually gravid, I'm wondering if there's a general idea how long it might be before she drops her clutch. I know it's probably hard to tell, but I'm wondering if I have an idea of how long after she starts all this behavior - specifically the digging. I don't have any supplies to make a lay box right now, but could probably get this all done over the weekend. That's why I'm asking, I'm trying to make sure I have a little time, or if she's telling me she's ready to lay, like, now.

Any thoughts? I know all dragons are different but hoping for some general info.

thank you kindly folks!
 

Jessss

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Hi all - we think our Tifa might be gravid for the first time. She's 2 years and 4 months old, and her belly feels bigger and I'm feeling what I think are eggs around the sides of her torso. We happen to have a vet appointment scheduled for a checkup in 2 days so I should be able to get an expert confirmation.

Her behavior's seemed a little weird to me though. 4 days ago she was hanging out in the apartment with us being social, and started doing the slow circular arm waving - both arms alternatingly - and I've never caught her doing this before. Later that night the arm waving had stopped and the head bobbing began. Again, never seen her bobbing her head. But two days ago she was doing it so much that it felt like she was doing it once every 60 seconds at times. Never seemed aggressive though, and she's not doing it at/towards anything in particular.

She looks healthy and happy. She's been social, has good color, her appetite generally hasn't changed. I guess she didn't really eat her salad yesterday/today, but that happens.

Then yesterday I took her out to hang out, and she took right to our carpet, and started trying to dig into it. I tried giving her fleece blankets and paper towels and bins to encourage her to try burrowing around, but she was just interested in the carpet. Same thing today. She doesn't do this in her viv, only when she's out here.

Sorry - I'll get to the question! Assuming she's actually gravid, I'm wondering if there's a general idea how long it might be before she drops her clutch. I know it's probably hard to tell, but I'm wondering if I have an idea of how long after she starts all this behavior - specifically the digging. I don't have any supplies to make a lay box right now, but could probably get this all done over the weekend. That's why I'm asking, I'm trying to make sure I have a little time, or if she's telling me she's ready to lay, like, now.

Any thoughts? I know all dragons are different but hoping for some general info.

thank you kindly folks!
Hi! My girl bee was Gravid (from when I knew) for about 2 weeks before she needed to be spayed,she stopped eating and started bobbing frequently.She was digging and she was glass surfing,although she had a black beard for the 2 weeks as well as the other behaviours.Im not sure on an extract time frame for how long they can be Gravid but If she is unable to lay her eggs she needs help or she’ll get really ill and potentially die.If she is egg bound is important to get it sorted as soon as you can,some eggs can burst or get infected.Sometimes follicles can reabsorb but not sure if shelled eggs are able to! I’d definitely get the vet to do an ultrasound and check,maybe a blood test if ultrasound is inconclusive! Best of luck with it all and hope she’s just having a bit of an energy spurt and nothing else! Once they go off their food they normally lay within a few days,maybe set up a dig box in the meantime? Worth the try imo! If feeling her belly be extra careful as the eggs can pop if too much pressure is applied,if you think you can feel them she’s probably got eggs.Bee was full of eggs but both the vets couldn’t feel any!
 

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Hey Jessss - thank you so much for your reply! I swear I don't know how my Tifa would be doing without this forum

This is a relief to hear. I know the timetable is impossible to get down but since she just started this behavior, I'm guessing she'll survive until we get to the Vet tomorrow. And I just got a new job and can actually afford to get some tests done, so yay :)

To be honest I've always found her sides to feel a little bit 'lumpy' and i'm not sure if what I feel in her is truly eggs. I feel some roundness to the bumps but I'm just not 100%. Hopefully the vet will get it all sorted out.

She often gets into moods where she doesn't eat much for a few days and has lots of energy she needs to burn off, this isn't anything new. Just the head bobbing and waving and digging. If she's just doing it for fun, that's cute! If she turns out gravid, I'll get supplies to make her up a dig box over the weekend and get her all set up.

You're great, thank you for the help!
 

Jessss

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Hey Jessss - thank you so much for your reply! I swear I don't know how my Tifa would be doing without this forum

This is a relief to hear. I know the timetable is impossible to get down but since she just started this behavior, I'm guessing she'll survive until we get to the Vet tomorrow. And I just got a new job and can actually afford to get some tests done, so yay :)

To be honest I've always found her sides to feel a little bit 'lumpy' and i'm not sure if what I feel in her is truly eggs. I feel some roundness to the bumps but I'm just not 100%. Hopefully the vet will get it all sorted out.

She often gets into moods where she doesn't eat much for a few days and has lots of energy she needs to burn off, this isn't anything new. Just the head bobbing and waving and digging. If she's just doing it for fun, that's cute! If she turns out gravid, I'll get supplies to make her up a dig box over the weekend and get her all set up.

You're great, thank you for the help!
I agree! This forum has helped me so much with my 4 little bambino’s!

She should only needed an ultrasound but sometimes they’re not visible and a blood test will show if she’s got eggs or in the process! As I say with bee the minute they put the scanner on lil belly you could see so many eggs,they took out 30 eggs when they spayed her with about 20 more growing on her ovaries! My usual vet bill was £48 for an appointment and an ultrasound which I think is fairly cheap but I am not with a specialist practice,I’m with a regular practice but am very lucky to see an amazing qualified reptile vet.She’s also previously owned beardies so is extremely comfortable with my guys and knows how to correctly handle them!
Not sure what vet you are with but please just make sure they know what they’re doing,a big NO to ENEMAS as they can be awfully dangerous!

If she is Gravid the vet will suggest a dig box and depending on behaviour and how the eggs look on ultrasound they may offer to give her some shots that induce the egg laying.Bee was given these shots but they didn’t help unfortunately! If she lays by herself that’s great! If not and she needs help hopefully the shots work and if all else fails then it would be spaying.Most dragons lay naturally but it’s important to keep a close eye on her,if she has eggs infection is a big risk and sometimes an egg can burst which is fatal.I do not want to alarm or jump to any conclusion but want to be as honest as I can so you know what to look for if this is the case! :)

If she’s active that’s actually a good sign! If she starts to become lethargic then I would worry a bit more,try to keep offering water and keep up with her supplements.Does she have a black beard at all? It’s great she’s getting seen by her vet tomorrow,time is usually a big factor with these things if egg bound.I’m very glad I can help! I’m hoping that tomorrow goes good and hopefully there are no eggs! I’m hoping after all this worry and typing you’ll reply back tomorrow saying she just needed a big poop💩😂
 

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I agree! This forum has helped me so much with my 4 little bambino’s!

She should only needed an ultrasound but sometimes they’re not visible and a blood test will show if she’s got eggs or in the process! As I say with bee the minute they put the scanner on lil belly you could see so many eggs,they took out 30 eggs when they spayed her with about 20 more growing on her ovaries! My usual vet bill was £48 for an appointment and an ultrasound which I think is fairly cheap but I am not with a specialist practice,I’m with a regular practice but am very lucky to see an amazing qualified reptile vet.She’s also previously owned beardies so is extremely comfortable with my guys and knows how to correctly handle them!
Not sure what vet you are with but please just make sure they know what they’re doing,a big NO to ENEMAS as they can be awfully dangerous!

If she is Gravid the vet will suggest a dig box and depending on behaviour and how the eggs look on ultrasound they may offer to give her some shots that induce the egg laying.Bee was given these shots but they didn’t help unfortunately! If she lays by herself that’s great! If not and she needs help hopefully the shots work and if all else fails then it would be spaying.Most dragons lay naturally but it’s important to keep a close eye on her,if she has eggs infection is a big risk and sometimes an egg can burst which is fatal.I do not want to alarm or jump to any conclusion but want to be as honest as I can so you know what to look for if this is the case! :)

If she’s active that’s actually a good sign! If she starts to become lethargic then I would worry a bit more,try to keep offering water and keep up with her supplements.Does she have a black beard at all? It’s great she’s getting seen by her vet tomorrow,time is usually a big factor with these things if egg bound.I’m very glad I can help! I’m hoping that tomorrow goes good and hopefully there are no eggs! I’m hoping after all this worry and typing you’ll reply back tomorrow saying she just needed a big poop💩😂
I will keep you posted on the contents of her belly :D

Thanks for the info, seriously. I live in San Francisco and there's only really two vets in the whole city for 'exotics' and the one I go to I like very much. Highly recommended in the lizard community here. They love Tifa, they seem to love all reptiles and really know what they're doing. Tifa's nicer to her and her staff than she usually is with me!

It's pretty pricey here comparatively I can only assume. A regular checkup is $85 (£70) and the tests are high as well. A fecal test is $60 I think? Manageable. But I paid around $250 for a blood test there once. I think it was a fancy test, but can't really remember. But yeah, its a specialty vet in a super expensive city, so...and no enemas, check.

Tifa's a very happy and healthy girl pretty much all the time. I'm told I pamper her way too much, and, I try. Nervous first time daddy. So her viv is always super clean, she gets bathed regularly (trained to poop in the bath), healthy diet, healthy weight, I handle her gently, and I give her time to run around the apartment and sit in the sun when she asks

She handles her business well, so I have high hopes in her that, if she's gotta drop a clutch, she'll do it like a pro. I'm more worried about my ability to make a good lay box than I am about her )))

If I come back with anything weird or interesting I'll be sure to share it with the board!

Thanks again
 

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