vickson420":516a1 said:Well I actually think my 2 biggest problem with silks are 1)the actual breeding process.From what I have learned about them the females are quite easily damaged due to this process especially if paired with a "normal" which is really the only way to keep the inbreeding issues at bay
vickson420":516a1 said:2) I also question their uv intake abilities and possible damages from the uv itself.I am not sure anyone has extensively studied if the lack of the top scales does in fact expose them to higher uv absorption issues and subsequently the damage that could occur from this exposure.I also wonder if they are susceptable to internal issues as well from their obvious genetic abnormality.
vickson420":516a1 said:I would also be very curious to know how their life span is indeed affected based on their mutations.
vickson420":516a1 said:I will admit that part of my issues with silkbacks are personal as I myself do not view them as a bearded dragon when I look at them.To me they look more like a salamander.Personally speaking I feel the animal loses its charm by losing its "scales" :wink:
Personally I think the answer to your question is yes. Yes if it weren't for the inbreeding...which makes a lot of people leery of what there health issues may be. It seems to me that this is a major concern that turns people away from them.....making them not want to accept them. But sense the conversations out there, myths, theories.....have already created mind sets. Then even if you could/did create one without inbreeding would anyone believe it....kirby":71a5e said:my question is, if a leather or silk was produced without inbreeding, would is be just as acceptable?
Paul, you know I love you, but my answer is still no, and my reasons are still the same ones that I spelled out in earlier silkback threads. You are making a linguistic fallacy, saying that if inbreeding is taken out of the equation, then it is a natural mutation and is healthy. Not a logical conclusion, Darlin'. If you can prove to me that these mutations are occuring in the WILD and are being replicated in the wild and surviving, then we can say it is a natural and healthy mutation.my question is, if a leather or silk was produced without inbreeding, would is be just as acceptable?
That's what I'm talkin' about! :headbang:Rosebud":c6ab3 said:why the hell do you want to reduce or eliminate the scales on a beardie? WHY? If you want a smooth feeling reptile, get a gecko or a skink!
Are you still ducking behind the wall?lacy_black":ed2c8 said:*ducks behind a concrete wall before replying*
theres no reason other then chance that a leatherback wont be produced in the wild. multigenerational individuals can produce them. why not in the wild?
LOL. that had me laughing SO incredibly hard.fresnowitte":09aff said:Are you still ducking behind the wall?lacy_black":09aff said:*ducks behind a concrete wall before replying*
Because I'm throwing tomatoes! :laughing6:
how do you know? do you know for certain that your collards hybridise as much as your making them? or will your breeding colony of spiny Ig's breed in close groups as your captive 'colony' is making them?Rosebud":09aff said:But it hasn't happened!
.Rosebud":09aff said:Mutations do not occur by chance, Paul, except in captivity.
Multi-generations of unrelated breedings isnt enough? considering the amnesty began in 1992. i would be suprised if these dragons great grandparents were wild. or not far off.Rosebud":09aff said:When leathers turn up in the wild, and turn up multiple times, you let me know, and I will rethink my position.
Rosebud":09aff said:because the reduction of scales in captive bearded dragons is not an evolutionary thing. It is a genetic flaw that has been fostered
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