TheRamiRocketMan":wwjhwz68 said:Hello all!
My bearded dragon Crunch has been having a lot of eye issues recently. She keeps them closed often and they always contain a strange transparent goop. The vet is at a loss.
<<< how old is she ?
I found an old thread saying that eye problems are usually caused by UVB overexposure so I wanted to know what the forum thought. The UV light is 12 inches (30cm) away from the highest basking point and is the only light in the setup.
Setup:
Reptile One UVB10.0 T8 18W
>>> Reptile One UV tubes and globes are made in china and are of very dodgey quality. This is contributing to your beardie's eye problems , ditch the Reptile One UVB and replace with either an Exo Terra, Arcadia or Zoo Med
<<<< a T8 10% tube is totally in effective at 12inches, even in a reflector hood and mounted under the lid. While the UVA and UVB from it will inadequate , it will likely be leaking bad wavelengths of UVB and also UVC and this is what is likely bothering her eyes.
At 12 inches it's unlikely the bearded dragon is getting more than 60 microW UVB / sqcm which is less than 1/3 her needs from the T8 10%UVB tube (under ideal condition), and likely much less if not set up in a reflector hood mounted under the lid.
Similar for the UVA.
Look up photoconjuctivitis.
<<< I think it's a combination of exposure to a very poor UV spectrum and perhaps abrasion from the woodchips of the eyeballs causing these issues , and they eyes are now infected , what has the vet prescribed (ointment) ?
You need to consider upgrading to a GOOD QUALITY T5HO 10-12% UVB tube in a reflector hood (mounted about 8-10 inches from the basking spot + a good colourless par38 incandescent or halogen spotglobe (for the bright light and heat during the day).
Reserve the CHE for keeping the viv warm overnight , highly recommend you place this on at least a simple inline switching thermostat to ensure no overheating.
150W Exo Terra Ceramic Heater
3ft long, 1.5ft deep, 2ft tall
Substrate: Woodchips (from the reptile store)
>>> Regarding woodchip , ditch them , these WILL KILL your pet dragon WHEN he ingests some because he will not be able digest or pass it and he'll die from a very serious impaction. Only good place for them is outside on your garden bed.
Temp: 95F (35C)
<<< where is this temperature measured , and how are you measuring it ?
Diet:
Crickets with calcium and Vitamins
Yellow Squash, Kale, Strawberries, Occasionally Carrot and a cheeky meal worm
Humidity comes from a water bowel, I also mist the tank occasionally and I give baths once or twice a fortnight.
<<<< unless your bearded dragon actually drinks from the water bowl (most wont), it's not needed..
<<<< you are overdoing the bathing, unless he drinks the bath water or enjoys it (it's fine to endulge him)
Appreciate any help!
EllenD":2fdvyn57 said:Yep, did the vet ask about your set up? His eyes are being effected by a combination of a poor UVB light and the wood chips, which are horrible for bearded dragons. You need to get those wood chips out of his tank immediately, they are not only scratching and irritating his eyes (tiny pieces of wood and wood dust actually get inside their eyes), but it's a massive impaction risk. Little pieces of wood splinter off from the larger chips, and they end up ingesting them and becoming impacted. Plus, the bacterial infection in his eyes is being harbored in the wood chips and is reinfecting his eyes over and over again. So no more loose substrate, for now dump out the wood chips, completely disinfect his tank and everything inside of it, and put down paper towels, which can be thrown away and replaced when they get dirty. You can put down ceramic tile or non adhesive shelf liner if you want to later, but for now you must get the wood chips out of there.
Your Reptile One UVB tube is junk, it actually does put out appropriate UVB from what I've read, the problem is that they also emit horrible, eye-damaging rays along with the UVB light. You need to buy a Reptisun 10.0 (not a 5.0) T8 tube the same length as the fixture you already have, and make sure that it is mounted INSIDE OF HIS TANK, not on top of a mesh or glass lid!!! UVB light does not penetrate glass at all, and that mesh absorbs up to 50% or more of the UVB. So use either 3M Command Hooks or Industrial Strength Velcro (rated up to 16 pounds) to mount the Reptisun 10.0 T8 under the lid, and it must be within 8" inches of where he sits on his basking spot at the furthest for him to receive adequate UVB light. Also, please make sure your UVB fixture doesn't have any kind of clear plastic or glass cover over the UVB tube, that will block all UVB light. There should be nothing between your beardie and the actual UVB tube.
As already mentioned, a CHE is not an appropriate basking bulb, they must have bright white light to bask with right alongside the UVB light, so they get both at the same time! This mimics natural sunlight. So if he's lethargic or not eating it's due to a combination of little to no UVB, inadequate UVB, and zero basking light. All you need is a regular, household INDOOR halogen flood bulb from Lowes, probably either a 75 watt or 100 watt, whichever gets his 3 temperature zones within the correct ranges, which if incorrect can effect his digestion of food.
Basking Spot: 99-103 for an adult, 105-110 for a baby, if he mouth gapes it's too hot
Hot Side: 88-93 maximum
Cool Side: 75-80 maximum
After you remove the wood chips, disinfect his tank, and get him into clean paper towels, you may want to go to Walmart or a drug store and buy a bottle of saline eyewash or Eyedrops that are just saline and nothing else. Wipe the conjunctivitis out of his eyes gently with a tissue, then put a few drops in each eye. I'd do this at least twice a day until they get better.
I'd just turn off that Reptile One UVB light completely, he can go a week or so without a UVB light. It's doing no good and it's hurting him. You will need to go out and buy a halogen indoor flood bulb though, and screw it into the fixture your CHE is in. Then turn off that UVB light and work on ordering or going out and buying the Reptisun 10.0 T8. But that UVB is causing half the problem, so I'd just take him outside for an hour a day until you can get the Reptisun.
I'd bet that his eyes will be 100% better in as little as a week after getting rid of the wood chips and that Reptile One UVB light.
TheRamiRocketMan":3gey7wrb said:~UPDATE~
Just raced down to the store and bought an Exo Terra ReptiGlo 2.0
<<< a 2%uvb tube is entirely inadequate , I'd take it back and exchange for either an Exo Terra or Zoo Med or Arcadia tube the same size rated AT LEAST 10% UVB , ditch the Reptile One T8 tube , only good place for that is in the whiz bin .
I highly recommend you invest in a slip on reflector for your size UVB tube (this will focus the UV and virtually double the UVA and UVB at the basking spot .....see http://arcadia-reptile.com/fluorescent-lamp-reflectors-t5t8/
or buy a new Reflector Hood .
IF buying a new reflector hood go for a T5 and upgrade the UVB tube to a Exo Terra or Zoo Med T5HO 10%UVB or Arcadia T5HO 12%UVB tube , the T5HO tubes are much more powerful than T8 tubes rated at the same %UVB AmazingAmazon have reflector hoods and most the T5HO tubes.
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and an Exo Terra 100W Intense Basking Spot heat lamp.
<<<< these Neodymium globes are OK , barely.... when it is 6 months old it will require replacement , I recommend you replace it with a Philips clear colourless par38 incandescent indoor/outdoor spot (heat, bright white light , no UVA , no UVB ) from Bunnings .
I've also replaced the woodchips for paper towel (after cleaning/disinfecting the entire tank). I have to say, Crunch is already looking much better. She is keeping both eyes open for much longer and she is moving around more. It's amazing how things which seem so subtle to us can make such a big difference.
TheRamiRocketMan":1fw5ptdf said:Took back the 2.0 for a 10.0 but they were sold out of my size. They've ordered one in for me which should be in by next week. In the meantime I've just been putting Crunch outside for UV. She ate some crickets and did the most massive poo so I think she'll be fine. She is keeping her eyes open a lot more but she misses being able to dig. Every night she is scratching at the paper towel trying to dig a hole, so I think I'm going to shred some up so she has the option to at least bury herself if she wants to.
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