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Errors in widespread nutrition guides for beardies
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[QUOTE="Claudiusx, post: 1917188, member: 31715"] We agree on a lot of points, and I think we both agree on the main goal here, we just see the solution as something slightly different :) I get what you're saying. While not ideal, it appeals to the fact that most of us are too lazy to put in the amount of effort that me and you try to do in regards to nutrition. Tell someone that they need to do this and that and research this and google what this term means, and people largely get intimidated and end up just doing whatever they want. Give them a nice simple easy list that isn't a wall of text, and they can follow it. That's why I am more for a list of foods that shouldn't be offered, or foods that should be offered only rarely. Give people a list of items and they will use only those. Or pick only a few from that list. Instead, tell people to try to pick out 2 or 3 different items each week, and you solve that issue. Things really don't need to be too complicated, but a lot of people expect it to be. Thats why an easy image like what gets posted appeals to so many. Something that thought was complicated is now easy to understand with an infographic, so it must be right! Many things get passed on as fact and a lot of people end up just believing it. This isn't just the case for dragon husbandry. It's rampant throughout all aspects of our lives. It's really on us to do our own research and come to our own conclusions if we care that much. But IMO it's not on us to expect the same from others. The best we can do is give advice, and the person can either accept it or not. <-- that was a hard pill for me to swallow for many years. But you just can't change people, all you can do is try to help, try to offer advice, but it's on them to decide if they follow your advice, or someone elses. I agree that they should be a consideration, but I think they should also be a back of the mind consideration. Humans and dragons are different obviously. Humans can develop gout and high blood concentrations of UA. And so can dragons. However, if you do some research here into the majority of gout cases in dragons, they almost always link back to 1 of 2 things. A diet rich in high protein foods. A diet lacking moisture and hydration. I've never seen a case of gout in the decade + I've been here in a dragon that has been well hydrated and a good salad eater that only ate moderate amounts of bugs in it's adult life. I agree, Oxalates can cause issues, but I am highly doubtful oxalates found in salads would be a contributing factor to any issues in dragons. I just simply haven't seen it. Even case studies in humans are questionable as to the actual amount that causes negative effects. Of course genetics play a role. But I stand by my statement of avoiding an otherwise healthy item over moderate oxalate content is passing up $100 bills to pick up nickles. Any potential negative is far outweighed by the positives, IMO. And that's perfectly fine if you see it differently :) Nutrition is such a hotly debated topic in the world. And it will always be that way. New fad diets come out almost monthly it seems. What was once common thought is now disproved. What was once thought to be healthy is now unhealthy and visa versa. Nutrition, and the human/dragon body are just way too complicated of an issue to tackle and understand in its complete entirety. I do really like this idea though. It emphasises that a mixture is something you should strive for, and is a quick easy guide. I like this much better than saying 1 item is bad for this reason, or this item is good for this reason. It appeals to the people who want to just have a quick easy guide. And the people who want to know more can do their own research and make their own choices. But still, the emphasis on variety was there. I think a list like you are making is a good "backdoor" method of populating an easier to follow list like the one you suggested above. -Brandon [/QUOTE]
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