Breed.?

acidburn01

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I read somewhere that you aren't supposed to breed a... translucent with a translucent because it opens the doors to genetic mutations and health problems but I can't remember what morph of dragon it's supposed to be. Does anyone happen to know what two morphs they really don't recommend breeding together.? If any of this makes any sense
 

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As a rule you shouldn't breed two visuals of any morph. It's better to breed two hets, or a het and a visual. Two leatherbacks for instance will produce silkies. Personally i think causing silkies is cruel and unethical. Two vusual trans supposedly can cause serious birth defects. I've read two visual hypos are ok, but i don't know if that is accurate.
 

acidburn01

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As a rule you shouldn't breed two visuals of any morph. It's better to breed two hets, or a het and a visual. Two leatherbacks for instance will produce silkies. Personally i think causing silkies is cruel and unethical. Two vusual trans supposedly can cause serious birth defects. I've read two visual hypos are ok, but i don't know if that is accurate.
What makes a dragon a visual morph.?
 

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If you can see the morph. Leatherback for instance is visual. Hypo you can see the clear nails as an indicator, translucent will "usually" exhibit solid black eye (but not always), dunners will have haphazard scaling, and the chevrons on their tail will have a broken pattern or even be spots. Some traits like dunner or co-dominate Leatherback only takes the gene from one parent to be displayed so those two are fairly easy, either they are or they aren't. Translucent can be harder because if they don't have the black eyes the trait could be overlooked. Hypo is a bit easier, even one nail with the black stripe disqualifies a beardie as hypo.
 

acidburn01

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If you can see the morph. Leatherback for instance is visual. Hypo you can see the clear nails as an indicator, translucent will "usually" exhibit solid black eye (but not always), dunners will have haphazard scaling, and the chevrons on their tail will have a broken pattern or even be spots. Some traits like dunner or co-dominate Leatherback only takes the gene from one parent to be displayed so those two are fairly easy, either they are or they aren't. Translucent can be harder because if they don't have the black eyes the trait could be overlooked. Hypo is a bit easier, even one nail with the black stripe disqualifies a beardie as hypo.
So, Nova is an orange/red het hypo tiger with blue bar and Toothless is a het hypo(novas breeder said he was) and were pretty sure a tiger and he's got blue bars and is mixed with standard beardie. Would there be any issues if they bred together, like there would be with others.?
 

AHBD

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Yes, you can breed those , don't keep them together though. Do you have pics of the pretty pair ?
About breeding 2 leatherbacks, I don't know that anyone would do that nowadays. BTW they would produce some silkies but also some normals and some leatherbacks in every clutch, not all silkies.
 

xp29

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Yes, you can breed those , don't keep them together though. Do you have pics of the pretty pair ?
About breeding 2 leatherbacks, I don't know that anyone would do that nowadays. BTW they would produce some silkies but also some normals and some leatherbacks in every clutch, not all silkies.
I should have been more specific about that. 🙂 I'm so anti-silkie the thought of breeding two leatherbacks and getting ANY silkies makes me cringe. Same with visual trans to visual trans, not all babies will be born with defects, but why chance even one being born unhealthy. When Sinatra is mature enough to breed, I'll do so because i love beardies,and want to produce beautiful beardies for people to love and enjoy, not for profit. So the thought of having a pairing that will be genetically inferior just isn't something I'll do personally. (And if i can discourage others from doing it, that makes me happy to 🙂)
 

AHBD

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I agree. I only mentioned that last part so it's not misunderstood and repeated but hopefully no one is breeding them anyway. If someone does own a silkie they are still welcome on the forums, too. :)
 

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So, Nova is an orange/red het hypo tiger with blue bar and Toothless is a het hypo(novas breeder said he was) and were pretty sure a tiger and he's got blue bars and is mixed with standard beardie. Would there be any issues if they bred together, like there would be with others.?
You can expect hypo blue bar tigers out of that pairing (some) if you have even one hypo then you have proven out both beardies as het hypo, (hypo is recessive and take the gentics from both parents to be displayed visually) if you get no hypos then one or both are not het for hypo (or you've got really bad luck) at that point you would have to breed each to a known hypo to know who has or don't have the gene.
 

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I agree. I only mentioned that last part so it's not misunderstood and repeated but hopefully no one is breeding them anyway. If someone does own a silkie they are still welcome on the forums, too. :)
Oh for sure, my beef with silkies is most keepers won't have the time, knowledge, or desire to put the work into them require and deserve.
 

acidburn01

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Yes, you can breed those , don't keep them together though. Do you have pics of the pretty pair ?
About breeding 2 leatherbacks, I don't know that anyone would do that nowadays. BTW they would produce some silkies but also some normals and some leatherbacks in every clutch, not all silkies.
Sure do. The one with their legs sprawled on the table is Nova, she swears she can burrow through glass. The other two of the big one is Toothless thinking he's a cat and curling up around his tail and the other of him burrowing his face cause hims a sleepy boi.
 

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acidburn01

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Toothless
Yes, you can breed those , don't keep them together though. Do you have pics of the pretty pair ?
About breeding 2 leatherbacks, I don't know that anyone would do that nowadays. BTW they would produce some silkies but also some normals and some leatherbacks in every clutch, not all silkies.
Here's probably a better photo of Toothless. He's got such an interesting pattern, it looks like the way oilspills look on driveways, with the circles of different colors
 

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AHBD

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Those are some big dragons ! Is Nova brighter or is Toothless going to shed ? Did you get them from a specific breeder ?
 

acidburn01

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Toothless
Those are some big dragons ! Is Nova brighter or is Toothless going to shed ? Did you get them from a specific breeder ?
Nova is a bright orange/red and Toothless is almost a yellow/green. In the photo of Nova, you can see where she's in the middle of a shed, half her back is still dark. They're definitely big. Toothless is almost 9 months at 20 inches and 580g and Nova is like 18-19 inches and is 599g. We got Nova from a breeder on morphmarket in October and Toothless at petco in september when he was only 3ish months old. They've both flourished so much.
 

AHBD

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Toothless has a nice pale color, being from Petco he would be a normal/standard but has some light barring on the side.
 

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