kingofnobbys":248dpuua said:bigsad9000":248dpuua said:TinyBlue":248dpuua said:Or even if they would survive.
I think the topic is a very interesting one. In a similar vein, I think that some dogs, like bulldogs or other flatnosed dogs, would not survive long in the wild. THey can hardly breathe, poor things!
Dragons would survive in Spain, I'm sure.
I feel like dragons could do fine in the warmer parts of Colorado and the USA where it rarely if not at all snows.
We have areas where it snows most winters here in Australia .
There are no wild bearded dragons ever encountered in these areas ( Barrington Tops, Blue Mountains, Snowy Mountains, ACT, Tasmania ) .
The most likely species of bearded dragon that are found in the warmer area's nearby are Eastern Bearded Dragons , who are hardier and more adaptable than their central bearded dragon cousins and have a larger natural range covering a wider latitude range than central bearded dragons.
bigsad9000":1nvdd1s8 said:kingofnobbys":1nvdd1s8 said:bigsad9000":1nvdd1s8 said:TinyBlue":1nvdd1s8 said:Or even if they would survive.
I think the topic is a very interesting one. In a similar vein, I think that some dogs, like bulldogs or other flatnosed dogs, would not survive long in the wild. THey can hardly breathe, poor things!
Dragons would survive in Spain, I'm sure.
I feel like dragons could do fine in the warmer parts of Colorado and the USA where it rarely if not at all snows.
We have areas where it snows most winters here in Australia .
There are no wild bearded dragons ever encountered in these areas ( Barrington Tops, Blue Mountains, Snowy Mountains, ACT, Tasmania ) .
The most likely species of bearded dragon that are found in the warmer area's nearby are Eastern Bearded Dragons , who are hardier and more adaptable than their central bearded dragon cousins and have a larger natural range covering a wider latitude range than central bearded dragons.
So I would see two things happening. Since eastern dragons are more hardy I'd imagine they wouldn't evolve much because they are already well equipped for climates like Colorado. Then western dragons would be very diverse in both species and morphs.
kingofnobbys":21w5yyoi said:bigsad9000":21w5yyoi said:kingofnobbys":21w5yyoi said:bigsad9000":21w5yyoi said:TinyBlue":21w5yyoi said:Or even if they would survive.
I think the topic is a very interesting one. In a similar vein, I think that some dogs, like bulldogs or other flatnosed dogs, would not survive long in the wild. THey can hardly breathe, poor things!
Dragons would survive in Spain, I'm sure.
I feel like dragons could do fine in the warmer parts of Colorado and the USA where it rarely if not at all snows.
We have areas where it snows most winters here in Australia .
There are no wild bearded dragons ever encountered in these areas ( Barrington Tops, Blue Mountains, Snowy Mountains, ACT, Tasmania ) .
The most likely species of bearded dragon that are found in the warmer area's nearby are Eastern Bearded Dragons , who are hardier and more adaptable than their central bearded dragon cousins and have a larger natural range covering a wider latitude range than central bearded dragons.
So I would see two things happening. Since eastern dragons are more hardy I'd imagine they wouldn't evolve much because they are already well equipped for climates like Colorado. Then western dragons would be very diverse in both species and morphs.
Sorry , no areas in Australia with climates that match any in Colorado except maybe Tasmania (and there are no native wild populations of bearded dragons in Tasmania).
bigsad9000":1fz5nopd said:The only state I can think of is Arizona. They could stay in the very warm and dry parts and then maybe they could branch out?
If they can THEN they can move back to Colorado since there still limited there according to the rules of the debate. Then cool new species could emerge?
Aaradimian":1xioaxzi said:bigsad9000":1xioaxzi said:The only state I can think of is Arizona. They could stay in the very warm and dry parts and then maybe they could branch out?
If they can THEN they can move back to Colorado since there still limited there according to the rules of the debate. Then cool new species could emerge?
Well, I haven't looked at Arizona on a Koppen map, but I do know that they do not get snow there except at higher altitudes like Tucson and Sedona. If the rest of the state were a viable zone for them, then an evolutionary possibility would exist where beardies living at lower altitudes would be in proximity to higher ones. Individuals of those lowland colonies could undergo random genetic mutations that might allow them to venture higher up than their peers, thus possibly selecting for that trait over time if "highland beardies" bred among themselves. There would have to be a reason that they'd move into a higher area though- why bother if they have everything they need at altitudes (temps) where they are already comfortable? Maybe they succeed too well and there is space-related pressure? Who knows?
One aside: I was in AZ this year for baseball spring training, and my wife and I discovered that the altitude cut-off for Saguao cactus (those ones with the arms that people think of when they think cacti), is almost exactly 3000'. We went from Phoenix to Sedona and they cut off abruptly at that altitude based on road sign altitude information. They apparently have no pressure to migrate uphill! :lol:
bigsad9000":2063hsj6 said:Phew glad we found a place where they can establish.
Aaradimian":1ig22lam said:bigsad9000":1ig22lam said:Phew glad we found a place where they can establish.
Might be able to in AZ, but you'd have to compare the Koppen maps between AZ and a combination of the one I supplied and the map Kingofnobbys provided about the natural range of pogona vitticeps. Also, that only establishes temperature range. As you asked, what would they eat & drink? Assuming a wild group of them was suddenly teleported outside of Tempe, they'd have to subsist on whatever bugs & plants are there, and not get killed by whatever creatures or poisonous "edibles" are there. Those are questions I can't speculate on because I don't know the flora/fauna there. Maybe a poster from AZ will chime in.
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