Beardie wheezing randomly/open & closing mouth and thrashing head around violently

PoisonedPaint

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Hello, its been a while since I've visited here; but I've run into a health issue with my beardie Bellamy and I'd like some help trying to identify the problem, if someone here has had a similar illness incident.

For a bit of background: NORMALLY Bellamy is a healthy weight, pretty active (still is, believe it or not despite whats going on), as well as has had very minimal health issues for almost 3-4 years since I remember getting him and has the following:

- 75 watt basking bulb above heat spot (a zoo med brand)
- 50 watt ceramic heat emitter above the lower basking spot
(both basking and emitter are resting on the wire mesh)
- Reptisun 10.0 UVB along the back of the tank held by a strip
- elevated basking locations (I have a large cinderblock in the left back corner that he sometimes pancakes on or partially rests upright along the edge, and a halfed-log hide south of the cinderblock that he rests in and uses as a lower basking area)
- 120 gallon wide exo terra tank
- ceramic tile substrate
- cool side of the tank is around 80-85 degrees, hot is around 100-110 (however been considering getting a mercury bulb 100 watt for the basking bulb and taking the emitter out except for winter)
- regular baths (2-3 a week, which he often drinks while getting these)
- poops seem healthy with solid white urate and brown stool, no blood

Diet:
- Calcium w/ D3 dusted Superworms with breeder recommended multivitamin powder
- Repashy Veggie Burger mix once in a while
- ocassional mustard greens/other beardie-safe produce

-- I want to note that Bellamy is a *very* picky eater when it comes to veggies/fruits of any kind, and when I fed him repashy's, thats the only way I could get him to eat the stuff, but he's been snubbing that too as of late. The food always offered in a variety of ways; short of force feeding him (I dont really feel 100% comfortable doing that either) a liquid mixture of this stuff, him eating non-live prey is seldom.

I do realize that it might not be the greatest for him, but believe me that I am doing my best to tease an apetite out of him for these things. I have tried different combinations of varities too.

Current Situation
- I've noticed about two weeks back from now that hes been doing a 'light wheezing' with his mouth agape--initially I figured it was just a thing he was doing while yawning/stretching his beard in the mornings. Over time, I noticed it started to get a little worse. I kept a close eye on it, since beyond that, he seemed fairly healthy-- active, head up high, basking, beyond the ocassional wheeze, havent seen anything abnormal.

- However I did start to notice his appetite decrease a bit over all. It wasn't too substantial at the start, but it was like 5-7 worms (he is an adult beardie) down to 3, and now we're lucky if he takes one after he goes poo. He is offered food once every other day, as he generally wouldnt eat (even when healthy) the next day if he had food the day before.

- I began to notice that in his hind quarters, he started looking thin, so I started to try offering food every day regardless, to no avail. Its slowly gotten worse. We had a vet check up made for this Saturday, HOWEVER, things took a worse turn when I woke up to him yesterday:

- He began to wheeze a with heavier breaths than usual, and kind of gasping/open-closing his mouth and violently thrashing his head around in unison with his tongue out bit, his beard very black and very pale overall, like bone-white.

Emergency Vet Visit

- Deciding that this was FAR from normal now, and honestly scared me half to death, we booked an emergency visit to the ER yesterday night to the only exotic one in our area.

- We had him in a beardie sling to try keeping him as comfortable as we could, and it was like as soon as he got into the car, all the behavior stopped, like he never even had these issues. His scales were fairly normal shade, ocassional black bearding (but he may have just been stressed from the ride)--otherwise he slept all the way there with no issues.

- We're waiting for the vet to see us, and its like nothing was going on at all. He just sat there with his head poking out and being inquisitive to stuff.

The Vet Check
- So they look him over, they tell us it could e signs of stomatitis? But if it is, there doesn't appear to be any redness or anything along the gums, however perhaps we caught it early enough?

- Going by that, they gave him antibiotic, fluids and some pain med injections. They gave us some pain med for us to give orally at home once every 24 hours.

- After administering this, they left im under a ceramic heat emitter for a short time to metabolize the stuff.

Today

- I woke up today with him, and it seems so far that hes not as bad as yesterday when I woke up to the thrashing/etc, but he is still ocassionally wheezing to a much lesser degree while leaning along his basking cinderblock with his head up as normal. Havent tried feeding yet.


But, has anyone had this situation with their beardies? Does it sound like stomatitis? Could it be something else? Im mostly trying to see if it can be identified as ANYTHING else so I might have some suggestions to check for in a follow up vet check up. I will try uploading a video asap.
 

PoisonedPaint

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Hello,

I am happy to hear that Bellamy did recover so quickly, so he must feel a lot better now. They seem
to be prone to respiratory issues, for some reason. Bacteria could build up in the respiratory tract if
a food item got lodged in the throat area. Perhaps he just took in water the wrong way which is the
most common cause of these problems.
Have you tried silver gel or manuka honey or raw unpasteurized honey on the forearm issue?
That's good news he doesn't seem to have any metabolic bone issues, either.

Tracie
Yeah, he definitely seems to have recovered quite significantly--he's very hungry now and very active. :)
Thats honestly my thoughts with the respiratory issue. I dont mist him more than once per day, and the temps are accurate, so I can only guess that it was a food item lodged or water going down wrong.

I havent tried any of those remedies for his arm, but would it do anything if the bump is a 'closed' wound? It basically looks like slightly distended scales with no discoloration/etc.
 

Drache613

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Hello,

I am very happy to hear he has gotten so much better now! At least he hasn't had any more episodes like previously.
Well, with the wound or abscess being internal, a treatment may not work if it is a topical treatment. I would think that they should drain the area so that it doesn't get more infected or spread.

Tracie
 

PoisonedPaint

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Hey guys. So I wanted to check in here due to the people who have been supporting me and Bellamy when we were unsure of what was happening. I tell you this with an incredibly heavy heart.

We decided to get him a third check up because he was still wheezing and not... 'normal'. I hope that maybe this can help someone else should they discover similar symptoms in their dragon, maybe it can be caught sooner and with realistic care to try and save them.

Today, Bellamy was diagnosed with stomach cancer. The night before his visit, I was searching the web to see if there was anything I could ask the vet to check for. All the symptoms came up to cancer, and despite my mental fortitude preparing me for the possibility, I still bawled my eyes out to the point I couldn't anymore.

At first, many vets believed it was mouth rot, or a respiratory disease. But, he has a mass growing in his stomach, and the reason for his current wheezing/thrashing/respiratory-like behavior is because he is attempting to dislodge the mass inside him.

Unfortunately, with predatory lizards, they fight until they cant anymore, so it has been suggested to me that I, soon, should make the choice to put him to rest.

I have also heard that this isn't an isolated occurrence--reptiles recently according to the vet, have been getting cancer more, more recently. I had a Leopard Gecko a few years back named Hiro, and I recognize similar appearance (not eating/gaining weight, retaining weight). I have reason to believe, despite not being officially diagnosed, this was also what took Hiro.

Thank you guys again for the help early on with my journey with Bellamy, and I also thank you for the support/help during this hard time.
 

KarrieRee

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Hey guys. So I wanted to check in here due to the people who have been supporting me and Bellamy when we were unsure of what was happening. I tell you this with an incredibly heavy heart.

We decided to get him a third check up because he was still wheezing and not... 'normal'. I hope that maybe this can help someone else should they discover similar symptoms in their dragon, maybe it can be caught sooner and with realistic care to try and save them.

Today, Bellamy was diagnosed with stomach cancer. The night before his visit, I was searching the web to see if there was anything I could ask the vet to check for. All the symptoms came up to cancer, and despite my mental fortitude preparing me for the possibility, I still bawled my eyes out to the point I couldn't anymore.

At first, many vets believed it was mouth rot, or a respiratory disease. But, he has a mass growing in his stomach, and the reason for his current wheezing/thrashing/respiratory-like behavior is because he is attempting to dislodge the mass inside him.

Unfortunately, with predatory lizards, they fight until they cant anymore, so it has been suggested to me that I, soon, should make the choice to put him to rest.

I have also heard that this isn't an isolated occurrence--reptiles recently according to the vet, have been getting cancer more, more recently. I had a Leopard Gecko a few years back named Hiro, and I recognize similar appearance (not eating/gaining weight, retaining weight). I have reason to believe, despite not being officially diagnosed, this was also what took Hiro.

Thank you guys again for the help early on with my journey with Bellamy, and I also thank you for the support/help during this hard time.
I am so sorry to hear this-- at least you were diligent at finding out the cause before he passed on you - it's heartbreaking and seems to be more common- again I am sorry - thinking of you and Bellamy
 

PoisonedPaint

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I am so sorry to hear this-- at least you were diligent at finding out the cause before he passed on you - it's heartbreaking and seems to be more common- again I am sorry - thinking of you and Bellamy
Thank you so much for your support and well wishes Karrie. I am glad that we did go for a third check up, only because I just knew something wasn't right. I just wish there was more we could do for them. What is most sad about it all, is he is fighting so hard.

He still gets up, moves around, stands on his front feet--but he does a scratchy wheeze every so often and closes his eyes. Sometimes he sets his head on the glass panel to his tank and looks out at me while im in bed, which, feels like to me he's asking for me to see him. Its just so horrible to feel so helpless for such a small, but strong animal. I am honored to have been his keeper.
 

xp29

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Thank you so much for your support and well wishes Karrie. I am glad that we did go for a third check up, only because I just knew something wasn't right. I just wish there was more we could do for them. What is most sad about it all, is he is fighting so hard.

He still gets up, moves around, stands on his front feet--but he does a scratchy wheeze every so often and closes his eyes. Sometimes he sets his head on the glass panel to his tank and looks out at me while im in bed, which, feels like to me he's asking for me to see him. Its just so horrible to feel so helpless for such a small, but strong animal. I am honored to have been his keeper.
This post is breaking my heart, I'm very sorry you are both going through this 💔
 

Drache613

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Hello,

OH no, poor Bellamy! Wow, he just wanted to be with you & he definitely was. I am so sorry he had
to go but I'm glad he had you. I feel most of the time it's better they are with their family than being put
down at the vets.
You are right, there is far too much cancer in reptiles, humans & other animals. It is the food & the
environment that is the cause unfortunately.
I am so sorry that you lost him, my condolences to you & your family. Bellamy was well loved.

Tracie 💞
 

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