2.93/1.86 = 1.57PHOS 1.86 mmol/L (The vet says normal limits are 0.14-0.3)
CA 2.93 mmol/L (The vet says normal limits are 0.6-0.89)
High ALKP levels also indicate an issue related to the bones , in some cases, high ALP levels can indicate heart failure, kidney cancer, other cancer, mononucleosis, or a bacterial infection.ALKP 324 U/L (The vet says normal limits are 129-151)
indicates dehydrationTP 75 g/L 1(The vet says normal limits are 14-50)
Nudge that down by 5 degrees C as it's too hot.hot spot 43-45 Celsius.
is this a T8 fat tube , or a T5ho thin tube ?UVB 10 % UVB tube lamp (Change every 4 month).
,The dragon is fed twice a day, in the morning he gets some cockroaches and crickets
Is he grazing on the salad or just leaving it to wilt and dry out ?Salad is served to him all day, replaced with fresh every two hours
- done. Im changed lamp from 50w to 40w. Tomorrow try to bought same style lamp like i used before 50w.kingofnobbys":3ro4zwug said:Nudge that down by 5 degrees C as it's too hot
is T8 Tube, 20w, without reflector hood, maximum disctance 25 cm, minimum 13 cm.kingofnobbys":3ro4zwug said:is this a T8 fat tube , or a T5ho thin tube ?
Brand ?
is there a reflector hood ?
is it on top a fine mesh lid ?
how far from his basking spot ?
kingofnobbys":3ro4zwug said:how big (are the crickets ? the roaches ?)
how many do you SEE him eat of each per meal , are you keeping a record of this ?
show us the feeding diary extract for maybe the last month.
Have you tried other insects ?
kingofnobbys":3ro4zwug said:Is he grazing on the salad or just leaving it to wilt and dry out ?
I suspect if he looks full, he's filling up on the veg and salad and you need to adjust the salad schedule to get him to eat more insects and adjust the mix of veg & greens you are giving so there are mostly high protein , high calcium.
I'd hold the salad back til later in the day.
do I understand correctly that you are good indicators? my veterinarian says it is too really to high for beardykingofnobbys":3ro4zwug said:2.93/1.86 = 1.57
Reptiles who are healthy have serum Ca/P > 1.5
is there at least one way to improve the situation? if I want to use it...kingofnobbys":3ro4zwug said:High ALKP levels also indicate an issue related to the bones , in some cases, high ALP levels can indicate heart failure, kidney cancer, other cancer, mononucleosis, or a bacterial infection.
beardy always get batch one time per meek, for 15 minutes in 30-34 celcius water. from that moment i made bath for my beardy twice per week, or need more?kingofnobbys":3ro4zwug said:indicates dehydration
My vet says, calciums is to high in blood and I have to reduce its amount to the animal. but i beleave more in you.kingofnobbys":3ro4zwug said:I think you need to be careful with the dragon's diet ( and do something to boost it's blood calcium and hydration ) . More live gut loaded and dusted insects , more leafy high calcium greens and more veg.
nope, only not interested in food.kingofnobbys":3ro4zwug said:Is he showing any physical symptoms ? other than not being interested in food ?
kingofnobbys":3ro4zwug said:This will help you work out other husbandry issues causing the lack of interest in food : viewtopic.php?f=6&t=236150&p=1815390#p1815390
This will help you get some food into the dragon with assisted feeding :
viewtopic.php?f=18&t=249501
if it wont eat , you have no choice but to force feed it at least 2x per day , I'd do 3x per day as small portions so you don't overload it's kidneys with a sudden boost in protein intake.
You might need to start giving it liquid calcium , this will help boost it's serum calcium levels , this product is excellent and reptiles take it orally very readily because it's sweet tasting.
Calcivet : is a liquid Calcium and Vitamin D3 supplement for addition to water, soft foods or for direct administration in times of emergencies.
Direct oral dose: 0.2mL per 100g body weight.
kingofnobbys":3ro4zwug said:Please show us the lights and how they are setup. Low levels of UVA can result in a lack of appetite in a reptile.
Low levels of UVB will mean dietary calcium is not metabolized but instead is excreted.
Thanks, Multivitamins from that moment cut totally.AHBD":3ro4zwug said:And one thing I see as a problem right off, multi vitamin 5 days a week is going to be a serious overload. Cut those out totally for at least a few weeks. When you DO start back, just once a week slightly dusted.
AHBD":3ro4zwug said:Hi there, can you post pics of your dragon and also of the entire set up, including lights ? Here's how :
will only help with a bearded dragon's hydration IF THE DRAG DRINKS the water. They DO NOT absorb moisture via their vent or through their skin , they are arid zone reptiles .beardy always get batch one time per meek, for 15 minutes in 30-34 celcius water. from that moment i made bath for my beardy twice per week, or need more?
exoticliz":jreknhde said:*Veterinarian made an X-ray photo, nothing found wrong, after x-ray made a blood test about we are talking now;
*Now every day im going to vet clinic with my beardy, veterinarian makes an injection with neurorubine, sodium chloride, glucose. Plus one more injection with vitamin B.
temperature drops to 39-40 Celsius.
i try to put one more thermometer from my aquarium.. and him show the different temp..
The acquarium thermometer will be most accurate of the two.
Get some more (thermometers with probes on long cables) , I recommend 2 or 3 so you can monitor air (zone) temperatures and surface temperatures and see these at a glance.
do I understand correctly that you are good indicators? my veterinarian says it is too really to high for beardykingofnobbys":jreknhde said:2.93/1.86 = 1.57
Reptiles who are healthy have serum Ca/P > 1.5
<<<< maybe someone else will chime in here - like I already stated - i'm not a vet.
is there at least one way to improve the situation? if I want to use it...kingofnobbys":jreknhde said:High ALKP levels also indicate an issue related to the bones , in some cases, high ALP levels can indicate heart failure, kidney cancer, other cancer, mononucleosis, or a bacterial infection.
<<< I think improved diet, with better UV source, the corrected temperatures and calcium will improve this, maybe someone else will chime in here .
My vet says, calciums is to high in blood and I have to reduce its amount to the animal. but i beleave more in you.
<<<< your vet thinks the dragon is suffering hypercalcemia ? This might be the case , need also to get the P down too.
Hello,Drache613":zcjeu89c said:I hope you got my email response & will check my email again. So sorry, I am over the road
traveling so sometimes my responses are a bit delayed. I had your thread up last night but
ran out of time.
i bought all of that greens, but don't found clean cherry juice/extract.. tomorrow i try to found that extract "ecologic" or just brand what i can trust, how many need milk thistle? what percentage in that all mixture? im scare to overdose milk. Thanks for that recipeDrache613":zcjeu89c said:I agree with the supplementation issues. Overall, I believe there is an overdose syndrome
going on right now so I would recommend cleaning out his system for a few weeks. For now,
I would try to get some greens such as parsely, cilantro, basil, mint & black cherry or tart cherry
juice/extract to mix together. Blend that all together in the blender to make it smooth so you
can give daily to help detox his system. It wouldn't hurt to add some milk thistle liquid or some
powder for him daily, for help with his liver also.
today i bought reflector for ucb tube bulb and now reflector is installedDrache613":zcjeu89c said:On another note, the AST, ALT ALK values which point to liver enzymes, are elevated. Though
their higher readings don't always indicate kidney or heart failure. It does indicate stress & that
the liver is being taxed to some level. The urea levels look good but the calcium & phosphorus
levels are out of balance simply due to improper UVB & absorption issues.
why you say reptiglo 2? i use reptiglo 10 tube bulb 20w.Drache613":zcjeu89c said:The Reptiglo 2 tube, is that the current tube UVB bulb you are using now? Are you able to get
either the Arcadia D3 12% tube or the Reptisun 10 tube? As suggested, the tube bulb that you
have now does need a light fixture to help direct the UVB downward. It needs to be mounted
directly overhead so you will need to remove it from the back wall mounting & try to get it right
overhead so he can benefit more from the UVB.
i understand, and i ready to bought new uvb and if need i can install few uvb tube bulbs. But please help me made right choice from links i sharred with you. I think i dont know have or no 4-5 work daysDrache613":zcjeu89c said:He does need a stronger UVB. One primary situation occurring now is not enough UVB but too
much supplementation. When they aren't exposed to adequate UVB their body cannot properly
absorb calcium or synthesize D3. When too much supplementation is given, it is overloaded in
the system but also throws off the normal levels from stress. The body can't utilize it so it either
stores it improperly or excretes it.
today he is hyper activ, and want to play. If i show my hand beardy come to me and i really happy.Drache613":zcjeu89c said:How is he doing today?
hello,kingofnobbys":1yvqbb8r said:The acquarium thermometer will be most accurate of the two.
Get some more (thermometers with probes on long cables) , I recommend 2 or 3 so you can monitor air (zone) temperatures and surface temperatures and see these at a glance.
i understoodkingofnobbys":1yvqbb8r said:<<<< maybe someone else will chime in here - like I already stated - i'm not a vet.
please look my post about 3 UVB tube bulb links, what i can get in my country and how fast i can do it. please help me make right choice.kingofnobbys":1yvqbb8r said:<<< I think improved diet, with better UV source, the corrected temperatures and calcium will improve this, maybe someone else will chime in here .
my vet thinks the dragon got problem with kidney. but dont have any medicine for reptiles.. in my country popular only cats and dogs....kingofnobbys":1yvqbb8r said:<<<< your vet thinks the dragon is suffering hypercalcemia ? This might be the case , need also to get the P down too.
today i installed reflectors. maybe it is wrong reflector.. but only that i was able to get without waiting for delivery.kingofnobbys":1yvqbb8r said:I don't see a reflector (slip on type or reflector hood) so the dragon wont be receiving nearly enough UVA or UVB from it at the distances you mention.
The dragon needs to get within 5cm of the T8 10%UVB naked tube to receive sufficient UVA & UVB.
No reflector ==> 1/2x the level for the same source w/reflector.
I'd upgrade it to a T5HO 12% UVB tube with either a slip on reflector or a reflector hood.
Doing this upgrade will have an immediate effect , see information below :
a very large increase in UVA & UVB , and good levels of UVA & UVB if the dragon can get within 30cm of the tube.
vet says that B vitamins and glucose is need for beardy while him not interesting in food.kingofnobbys":1yvqbb8r said:Vitamin B supplementation : did the vet say why he is doing this ?
yesterday im ordered from ebay few bottles of vegamite. today i printed that product composition and tomorrow go to supermarket and try to find some analogue.kingofnobbys":1yvqbb8r said:Ask about giving the dragon a lick of some Vegemite each day from a teaspoon : https://vegemite.com.au/ ,
this will give the dragon a rich source of vitB, sodium, and some extra protein.
I'm sure you can buy a small bottle or a tube of Vegemite online in your country if you can't find it in the supermarket.
the stuff is a great source of vitB and most animals love the taste.
kingofnobbys":1yvqbb8r said:Bedding : what is that gritty stuff you are using for a substrate ?
if it's indigestible it's a danger to her , and if she eats enough of it (accidentially with her food) it's a serious impaction risk.
I'd get rid of it and replace with either absorbant paper toweling (like everyone has in their pantry - comes in roll) and or ceramic floor tiles.
my beardy never drink water.. im many times.. give them container with water but beardy not interested in water. Sometimes i put cricket in water and beardy catch it and get water with cricketkingofnobbys":1yvqbb8r said:will only help with a bearded dragon's hydration IF THE DRAG DRINKS the water. They DO NOT absorb moisture via their vent or through their skin , they are arid zone reptiles .
AHBD":1ga8922d said:Hi there, you can get the Arcadia D3 12 %, very good bulb ! And it's good to hear that he is active, he looks very healthy in the pictures.If it's sunny where you live you can build an outdoor cage for him too or get a leash for him.
Dragons with renal issues (problems with their kidneys) tend to become very thirsty . I'd pass that onto the vet.exoticliz":1ezh53b2 said:hello,kingofnobbys":1ezh53b2 said:The acquarium thermometer will be most accurate of the two.
Get some more (thermometers with probes on long cables) , I recommend 2 or 3 so you can monitor air (zone) temperatures and surface temperatures and see these at a glance.
im orderd few thermometers with probes on long cables and without cables.
I think I will get the goods on Monday or Tuesday
i understoodkingofnobbys":1ezh53b2 said:<<<< maybe someone else will chime in here - like I already stated - i'm not a vet.i want believe what new UVB fix thats calcium issue
please look my post about 3 UVB tube bulb links, what i can get in my country and how fast i can do it. please help me make right choice.kingofnobbys":1ezh53b2 said:<<< I think improved diet, with better UV source, the corrected temperatures and calcium will improve this, maybe someone else will chime in here .
my vet thinks the dragon got problem with kidney. but dont have any medicine for reptiles.. in my country popular only cats and dogs....kingofnobbys":1ezh53b2 said:<<<< your vet thinks the dragon is suffering hypercalcemia ? This might be the case , need also to get the P down too.
today i installed reflectors. maybe it is wrong reflector.. but only that i was able to get without waiting for delivery.kingofnobbys":1ezh53b2 said:I don't see a reflector (slip on type or reflector hood) so the dragon wont be receiving nearly enough UVA or UVB from it at the distances you mention.
The dragon needs to get within 5cm of the T8 10%UVB naked tube to receive sufficient UVA & UVB.
No reflector ==> 1/2x the level for the same source w/reflector.
I'd upgrade it to a T5HO 12% UVB tube with either a slip on reflector or a reflector hood.
Doing this upgrade will have an immediate effect , see information below :
a very large increase in UVA & UVB , and good levels of UVA & UVB if the dragon can get within 30cm of the tube.
T5HO i can found only 30 cm long tube, not 60.. and i must to wait 4-5 business day for delivery, can i wait that period? maybe while waiting for normal t5 bulb i can install few t8 tubes?
im really scare what 4-5 days is really long..
<<< that wont be an issue . Is it sunny where you are , you could take beardie outside to sit in the sun on your lap or chest or tummy for maybe an hour every few days , this will help boost his metabolism and immune system and vitD3 levels.
vet says that B vitamins and glucose is need for beardy while him not interesting in food.kingofnobbys":1ezh53b2 said:Vitamin B supplementation : did the vet say why he is doing this ?
yesterday im ordered from ebay few bottles of vegamite. today i printed that product composition and tomorrow go to supermarket and try to find some analogue.kingofnobbys":1ezh53b2 said:Ask about giving the dragon a lick of some Vegemite each day from a teaspoon : https://vegemite.com.au/ ,
this will give the dragon a rich source of vitB, sodium, and some extra protein.
I'm sure you can buy a small bottle or a tube of Vegemite online in your country if you can't find it in the supermarket.
the stuff is a great source of vitB and most animals love the taste.
kingofnobbys":1ezh53b2 said:Bedding : what is that gritty stuff you are using for a substrate ?
if it's indigestible it's a danger to her , and if she eats enough of it (accidentially with her food) it's a serious impaction risk.
I'd get rid of it and replace with either absorbant paper toweling (like everyone has in their pantry - comes in roll) and or ceramic floor tiles.
Made from 100% pure organic fibre Binds liquid and odour effectively inside the fibre and boasts up to 3 times higher yield than mineral-based cat litters Compostable 100% biodegradable.
that is for cats, and i really read many forums and see a lot of video about it for beardy, it crashes in water and my beardy within 6 months do not eat any pieces of food during a meal and never found any interest in this product. But if i change it and it helps me with beardy - i do it.
<<<< I'd definitely be ditching that horrible kitty litter junk. Is very nasty stuff and will hold moisture and be great media for molds, viruses and bacteria to go in. And it's not digestable either.
Better off buying some Scott-towel or equivalent (absorbant paper toweling) ,or raiding the pantry and laying a couple of layers of the paper sheeting down as the bedding. Makes for very easy cleanup, simply lift out the soiled or wet sheets and replace.
my beardy never drink water.. im many times.. give them container with water but beardy not interested in water. Sometimes i put cricket in water and beardy catch it and get water with cricketkingofnobbys":1ezh53b2 said:will only help with a bearded dragon's hydration IF THE DRAG DRINKS the water. They DO NOT absorb moisture via their vent or through their skin , they are arid zone reptiles .
i try to assist him drink water
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