URGENT VERY ILL DRAGON

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Re: URGENT VERY ILL DRAGON

Postby Kchacon54 » Wed Jun 09, 2021 6:53 pm

Hi guys I wanted to update you my bearded dragon seems to not be doing well. He is not eating and drinking the green juice as well as he did before. He was having good solid poops but recently he has been doing very small poops (sometimes just urate) often. His head swelling is growing as time goes on and there are some dark red scales towards the back of his head on the swollen part, could this be blood/internal bleeding? I am concerned and i do not know if he is suffering too much. He is pretty alert most of the time and he moves around but there are times where he gets tired and will just lay down. He is also breathing hard. Thank you.

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Re: URGENT VERY ILL DRAGON

Postby AHBD » Wed Jun 09, 2021 7:00 pm

Poor guy, that looks like an aneurysm. You can read about it here. See what your vet says and send them this article. Sorry that you're going through this.

https://veterinarypartner.vin.com/defau ... id=7985794
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Re: URGENT VERY ILL DRAGON

Postby kingofnobbys » Wed Jun 09, 2021 8:37 pm

My advice - learnt the hard way - find an expert reptile surgeon - not just a hack vet who dabbles in reptiles.

See my thread about my Puff who I lost a few hours after surgery to drain and debride what the vet thought was an abscess but discovered was a huge aneurysm on his left jugular . Puff died due to severe blood loss in surgery while he was being kept in overnight in ICU under observation from what the vet claimed was heart failure ( due to low blood volume ) …. I believe incompetence
>> misdiagnosed ( I strongly suspected he had an aneurysm when I took him to them )
>> inexperience in dealing with bearded dragon aneurysms
>> never even suggested harvesting Puff's blood for storage over a month or so to have sufficient blood to transfuse him during the surgery ( they told me he had an abscess , despite my research indicating an aneurysm ).

Puff never lost his appetite.
Puff never behaved sick , even when he ruptured his left eye who's eyesocket was very swollen ( fluid buildup due to the aneurysm ) , irritated him and he bashed it in hard corner of his fake grotto .

Get on top of this ASAP , it wont go away by itself .

Be aware , the prognosis is not flash , unless the reptile surgeon is very experienced.

Be aware , there is a strong likelihood of future aneurysms for him for the rest of his life .

Be aware , it's wise to keep his stress level low while he has an aneurysm else he is a risk of a fatal stroke.
CBDs: Cleopatra & Caesar born 28Jan19.
Puff (RIP 10Dec15),Rex (RIP 16Mar17),Toothless (RIP 26Nov17).Peppa (RIP 22Mar19).
EBTSs : George & Mildred (born july 2010).
EWSs : , Fluffy (F) rescued injured by lawnwacker 14Nov17, Gutzy (F) rescued 27Sep19 - RIP 3Aug20 (est 12 yo), Wriggles (F) - injured rescue, over 8 yrs old, RIP 2Feb16 old age. Lucky juvenile (M) - cat attack rescue (lost r-eye, broken r-lower jaw), fatal SI RIP 21Jul2010.
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Re: URGENT VERY ILL DRAGON

Postby Kchacon54 » Wed Jun 09, 2021 9:26 pm

Hi kingofnobbys

I am so sorry for your loss. Thank you for sharing your experience with me. I have a similar situation in which the vet was not listening to me. I had a vet who refused to do any scans because he was so confident that he had a massive tumor in his mouth and to spend as much time as we could with him. I did not trust this because it did not make sense how a huge tumor could appear out of nowhere and he did not want to prove it to me. I am having a lot of difficulty finding a vet that actually knows about bearded dragons in my area, a lot of them do not even do ultrasounds on bearded dragons. I also do not know how to confirm that he has an aneurysm. Would I ask for an ultrasound? I am also struggling with determining the cause of this because this swelling appeared immediately after he received an injection of vitamins A and D. Or I am not sure if it is a coincidence and that he developed this due to genetics? My plan is to take him to an emergency vet on Friday from your experience what should I ask for to confirm that this is an aneurysm? How were you able to find an experienced reptile surgeon in your area?

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Re: URGENT VERY ILL DRAGON

Postby kingofnobbys » Thu Jun 10, 2021 3:53 am

AHBD wrote:Hi there, sorry to hear about your dragon ! I know that vitamin A can cause beard swelling but have never heard of it causing a lump on the head . Get lots of fluids in him and find another vet to do an x-ray of his head. Best wishes to your handsome boy !

Looking at the side view of the swelling in the crest ---- brings bad memories of how Puff's problems started.

If you can't get him to an experienced (EXPERT) vet soon , I strongly recommend
1) using a permanent marker to mark the periphery of the swelling ( close as you can tell ) NOW.
2) then take photos from above , the side , behind and infront so you can have a reference to refer to .

This way you can monitor how the swelled area is growing .
Check how it feels regularly too, is squishy / soft , does it stay pressed down for a long time or does it quickly spring back to original shape and size ( full of blood with an active blood supply _= BAD ), does he react to it being gently pressed .
CBDs: Cleopatra & Caesar born 28Jan19.
Puff (RIP 10Dec15),Rex (RIP 16Mar17),Toothless (RIP 26Nov17).Peppa (RIP 22Mar19).
EBTSs : George & Mildred (born july 2010).
EWSs : , Fluffy (F) rescued injured by lawnwacker 14Nov17, Gutzy (F) rescued 27Sep19 - RIP 3Aug20 (est 12 yo), Wriggles (F) - injured rescue, over 8 yrs old, RIP 2Feb16 old age. Lucky juvenile (M) - cat attack rescue (lost r-eye, broken r-lower jaw), fatal SI RIP 21Jul2010.
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Re: URGENT VERY ILL DRAGON

Postby kingofnobbys » Thu Jun 10, 2021 4:06 am

Kchacon54 wrote:Hi kingofnobbys

I am so sorry for your loss. Thank you for sharing your experience with me. I have a similar situation in which the vet was not listening to me. I had a vet who refused to do any scans because he was so confident that he had a massive tumor in his mouth and to spend as much time as we could with him. I did not trust this because it did not make sense how a huge tumor could appear out of nowhere and he did not want to prove it to me. I am having a lot of difficulty finding a vet that actually knows about bearded dragons in my area, a lot of them do not even do ultrasounds on bearded dragons. I also do not know how to confirm that he has an aneurysm. Would I ask for an ultrasound? I am also struggling with determining the cause of this because this swelling appeared immediately after he received an injection of vitamins A and D. Or I am not sure if it is a coincidence and that he developed this due to genetics? My plan is to take him to an emergency vet on Friday from your experience what should I ask for to confirm that this is an aneurysm? How were you able to find an experienced reptile surgeon in your area?

Thank you


Small needle aspiration - was not conclusive - even on the day of Puff's fatal surgery .
Ultra sound will show if there's an active blood supply.

There's an expert in USA who I contacted , Prof Tosdic ?? ( will be in my thread ) contact her , she'll give a lead on a nearby vet she's trained.

I still miss Puff , he was special very smoogy boy and I carry a LOT of guilt letting the vet ( who claimed they were experts ) take him away to "butcher" him .
I'll never do that again . I've lost my confidence in the local "expert reptile vets" IMO all of them locally are incompetent.
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CBDs: Cleopatra & Caesar born 28Jan19.
Puff (RIP 10Dec15),Rex (RIP 16Mar17),Toothless (RIP 26Nov17).Peppa (RIP 22Mar19).
EBTSs : George & Mildred (born july 2010).
EWSs : , Fluffy (F) rescued injured by lawnwacker 14Nov17, Gutzy (F) rescued 27Sep19 - RIP 3Aug20 (est 12 yo), Wriggles (F) - injured rescue, over 8 yrs old, RIP 2Feb16 old age. Lucky juvenile (M) - cat attack rescue (lost r-eye, broken r-lower jaw), fatal SI RIP 21Jul2010.
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Re: URGENT VERY ILL DRAGON

Postby kingofnobbys » Thu Jun 10, 2021 4:10 am

thread about Puff
viewtopic.php?f=6&t=216352&p=1714816&hilit=puff+aneurism#p1714816

The expert is Prof Tosney (in Maime)
CBDs: Cleopatra & Caesar born 28Jan19.
Puff (RIP 10Dec15),Rex (RIP 16Mar17),Toothless (RIP 26Nov17).Peppa (RIP 22Mar19).
EBTSs : George & Mildred (born july 2010).
EWSs : , Fluffy (F) rescued injured by lawnwacker 14Nov17, Gutzy (F) rescued 27Sep19 - RIP 3Aug20 (est 12 yo), Wriggles (F) - injured rescue, over 8 yrs old, RIP 2Feb16 old age. Lucky juvenile (M) - cat attack rescue (lost r-eye, broken r-lower jaw), fatal SI RIP 21Jul2010.
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Re: URGENT VERY ILL DRAGON

Postby Drache613 » Fri Jun 11, 2021 12:42 am

Hello,

Please keep us posted on your precious boy. I hope you are able to find a vet who will take
him on. As suggested, it is imperative that you do get him to a vet as soon as possible.

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