Blood in stool but clean fecal test

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Blood in stool but clean fecal test

Postby Kermit24 » Wed May 05, 2021 2:11 pm

Hi, I have a 5-6 month old bearded dragon who weighs approx 250 grams. A little over a month ago, I noticed some blood in his stool and decreased appetite, so I took him to the vet and his fecal sample had a coccidia infection of 4+. After the initial 2 doses of ponazuril and a disinfection routine, 2 weeks later his fecal sample was clean. His appetite improved and the blood disappeared. However, this weekend he again began having small amounts of blood at the end of his stool, which are soft but not diarrhea. He also has a much lower appetite, maybe eating 1/3 of his usual insects and only if hand fed. There isn’t blood in every movement, but it’s in at least one per day - he also began pooping more often. A fecal test done yesterday was completely clear. The vet is going to do some research but doesn’t have an initial idea of what’s going on. Otherwise, the vet says he appears to be in good health. Does anyone know of other causes for blood in stool? I’ve mostly read about parasites and hard stools or impaction, which isn’t the case here.
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Re: Blood in stool but clean fecal test

Postby KarrieRee » Wed May 05, 2021 4:28 pm

Please go over the lighting in the tank-- UVB brand and bulb coil or tube? where in the tank is it? Basking temps? what are they and how are you taking them? Can you please post the next stool w/ the blood in it-- https://www.beardeddragon.org/useruploads/ click on the XIMG at the top of the message box then click on the pic
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Re: Blood in stool but clean fecal test

Postby Kermit24 » Wed May 05, 2021 5:40 pm

I have a Reptisun T8 tube bulb, hung about 8 inches above his basking spot. The basking temp is about 105 degrees, which I test via a temperature gun. I calcium dust 5x a week, and dust with multivitamins the other two days. The current substrate is paper towels. I will definitely post a pic of the next stool, thank you. The vet called back and basically said they wanted to try antibiotics, even tho they don’t know the cause - I am hesitant to try antibiotics without a definitive diagnosis, as I know they have many negative side effects. The vet also recommended trying to stimulate his appetite with mealworms, which I know aren’t great for beardies. Currently I am only feeding crickets, salad, and hornworms - he has stopped eating his Phoenix worms and dubias, which he regularly ate before.
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Re: Blood in stool but clean fecal test

Postby KarrieRee » Wed May 05, 2021 6:02 pm

I agree no antibiotics till you have a diagnosis- the UVB is how old? Please post a pic of the poop - are you feeding the correct size for insects?
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Re: Blood in stool but clean fecal test

Postby Kermit24 » Wed May 05, 2021 6:15 pm

KarrieRee wrote:I agree no antibiotics till you have a diagnosis- the UVB is how old? Please post a pic of the poop - are you feeding the correct size for insects?


The UVB is about 4 months old, purchased in mid January. I am feeding no larger than the space between his eyes for the crickets and dubias, bigger for the hornworms as I read to go by the width of the soft bodied worms, not the length. He is 16 inches, so I was told he could handle medium sized hornworms. I will post pics of his next stool tomorrow - I thought I had already taken some, but I can’t find them. Thanks again for the help. I will definitely hold off on the antibiotics.
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Re: Blood in stool but clean fecal test

Postby Kermit24 » Thu May 06, 2021 12:19 pm

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Here is his poop from this morning - it is in the smaller bit of stool. Today was not as much blood as normal, but it’s never a ton, and it’s always after the main poop…usually a couple drops of bright red blood a few inches from the stool, or like this morning, about 20 minutes after his first poop, he does the tiny mucus-y poop with a blood smear. He doesn’t eat anything red. The second tiny poop thing only started when the blood started.
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Re: Blood in stool but clean fecal test

Postby KarrieRee » Thu May 06, 2021 12:25 pm

Ok I am gonna have AHBD take a look and see what she thinks -- how many poops has he had like this?
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Re: Blood in stool but clean fecal test

Postby Kermit24 » Thu May 06, 2021 12:31 pm

KarrieRee wrote:Ok I am gonna have AHBD take a look and see what she thinks -- how many poops has he had like this?

Every day for the past 6 days. As soon as it started, his appetite decreased. I went to the vet tuesday, who gave him a dose of ponazuril (he assumed it was the coccidia again) but the fecal test came back with 0 parasites. That’s when the vet suggested antibiotics because “maybe it could be a bacterial infection.”
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Re: Blood in stool but clean fecal test

Postby KarrieRee » Thu May 06, 2021 12:32 pm

Did they do blood work? How was the fecal done? Did they do a enema?
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Re: Blood in stool but clean fecal test

Postby Kermit24 » Thu May 06, 2021 12:59 pm

KarrieRee wrote:Did they do blood work? How was the fecal done? Did they do a enema?

The vet said he wanted to try the antibiotics before a blood test. I brought in a fecal sample and they sent it out to a lab to test, and I got the results the next day. I think I am going to start searching for a new vet, but I’m feeling frustrated as this was advertised as an exotics vet with reptile experience, but I feel like they’re just guessing.
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Re: Blood in stool but clean fecal test

Postby KarrieRee » Thu May 06, 2021 1:02 pm

Ok so I was wondering if they had done a fecal and that might of caused the blood --- let AHBD take a crack at it see what she thinks is going on --- I have flagged the post --- here is a website to find another reptile vet see what comes up in your area
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Re: Blood in stool but clean fecal test

Postby Claudiusx » Thu May 06, 2021 5:30 pm

What are you feeding the crickets?
Can you post a picture of him and your setup?

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Re: Blood in stool but clean fecal test

Postby Kermit24 » Thu May 06, 2021 6:18 pm

Claudiusx wrote:What are you feeding the crickets?
Can you post a picture of him and your setup?

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I feed the crickets the same veggies I feed him - dandelion greens, collard greens, turnip greens, mustard greens, occasionally kale or yellow squash. Here are some pics of him I took earlier today. I will take pics of his set up in the AM as soon as his lights are on. Thank you for any insight you’re able to give me!

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