Trying to Help my Brother's Sick Looking Beardie

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Trying to Help my Brother's Sick Looking Beardie

Postby Julie26 » Mon May 03, 2021 11:49 am

I am very new to this forum and just figured out how to post things. My family life is very complicated, so I cannot have clear communication with my brother and I cannot change his beardie's substrate or the lighting.
I don't know what the temperatures are in his beardie's (Lady's) tank, but she has loose substrate. She is about five years old and 16.5" long. Last time I checked, about a month ago, she weighed 235 grams.

My parents bred her and a friend's dragon last year without any knowledge on how to care for the babies. There were about 10 that hatched, only two are alive. One was given to the male beardie's owner and I insisted on keeping the other one. I researched a lot on how to care for young ones and he is about 6 months old now and I believe he is healthy.

Lady has what I think is her ribcage showing and she eats very little. It seems like she has trouble seeing crickets, so she only eats dusted ones. My brother only feeds her superworms, so I try and get her out of the cage to feed her crickets. I have tried to feed her veggies but she isn't used to them and won't eat them on purpose, only when there are crickets on it. I want to help her, and I read about people giving beardies liquefied veggies. I also bought multivitamin powder but I've seen contradicting information on how often to use it. When she was young, she had what I believe was MBD. Her mouth is uneven. How can I help her without changing the enclosure? Should I give her veggie "soup"? I'll try to attach photos.
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Re: Trying to Help my Brother's Sick Looking Beardie

Postby KarrieRee » Mon May 03, 2021 7:11 pm

Lady is severely sick- mbd for sure - w/out proper uvb she probably isn't going to make it much longer- she needs a long tube fixture-- 24" zoo med for a 40+ gallon tank--- w/ a Reptisun 10.0 T 5 bulb--- basking temps should be 95-100 taken w/ a digital probe thermometer-- all this needs to be changed ASAP-- I am surprised she's eating at all- dragons cannot absorb synethsize their calcium and this leads to mbd among a ton of other health issues- you can feed her slurries of veggies like collards mustard kale and turnip greens w/ some squash like zucchini or yellow etc-- I am flagging post to the vet tech mod
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Re: Trying to Help my Brother's Sick Looking Beardie

Postby Drache613 » Mon May 03, 2021 11:49 pm

Hello,

Lady is a pretty girl, but definitely too thin & malnourished.
So she is your brother's dragon & you don't get to see her often? If you aren't able to
get him to change or improve his lighting or nutrition unfortunately, there wont be much
you can do.
It is evident that she needs a better UVB & supplementation. She simply wont make it
much longer if she isn't able to eat or absorb any of her calcium, vitamins or other essential
nutrients that are basic for her life & health overall. Giving a nutritional greens slurry can
help to get fluids & nutrition into her if you are able to do that at least 4 times per week.
If there is not a good UVB light over her that is absolutely essential though.

Let us know how things are going.
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Re: Trying to Help my Brother's Sick Looking Beardie

Postby Drache613 » Mon May 03, 2021 11:51 pm

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Re: Trying to Help my Brother's Sick Looking Beardie

Postby chestermymunchkin » Tue May 04, 2021 8:16 am

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Re: Trying to Help my Brother's Sick Looking Beardie

Postby Julie26 » Wed May 05, 2021 11:25 am

I will try to get her a new UVB as soon as I can, I can try and replace the light when he isn't home. I put my beardie's thermometre in her tank and her basking spot is 91F. She ate two superworms today and maybe 8 crickets dusted with multivitamins, a few drops of a veggie slush of squash and collard greens. She won't eat more than that. Her poop today was very liquid, and the white part had a yellow tone.

How often should I dust crickets/superworms? Should I avoid superworms? I read somwhere that they are bad for their digestive system, but it is easier to get her to eat supers than crickets.

Thanks so much for the replies, any help is very much appreciated!
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Re: Trying to Help my Brother's Sick Looking Beardie

Postby Julie26 » Wed May 05, 2021 11:30 am

Also I can see her and take her out often, but it is very difficult to change things in her tank.
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Re: Trying to Help my Brother's Sick Looking Beardie

Postby KarrieRee » Wed May 05, 2021 11:40 am

The UVB is crucial and basking temps should be 95-100 for her-- I would feed her insects the crickets 5 x per week since Tracie has said shes malnourished but I would switch them to dubias they are better feeder and nutritional wise as well -- vitamins w/ beta carotene 2 x per week --
www.dubiaroaches.com
Even if your dusting those roaches w/ calcium D3 shes not going to be able to absorb it w/ out the UVB -- the digestion system works on proper UVB and basking temps- you must get those fixed to fix the poop --the superworms can be given 2-3 times per week you can dust them if your want to ----she likes the super worms cuz theyn are a treat worm -- I would look at getting the dubias for her --- why is it difficult to fix the things in the tank? If its because of your brother he obviously so doesnt care about the dragon --
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Re: Trying to Help my Brother's Sick Looking Beardie

Postby Julie26 » Wed May 05, 2021 12:32 pm

I tried to get dubias for my beardie as well, but they are illegal in Canada.. God knows why. My brother makes it very difficult to change up her tank, but I will definitely try. Thanks so much.
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Re: Trying to Help my Brother's Sick Looking Beardie

Postby KarrieRee » Wed May 05, 2021 12:49 pm

You can worms etc from thewormlady in canada
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Re: Trying to Help my Brother's Sick Looking Beardie

Postby Drache613 » Thu May 06, 2021 1:04 am

Hello,

Superworms are fine for them as long as there is some variety, too. I know it's hard dealing
with your brother's dragon, but the dragon simply will not make it if some changes aren't made
soon. Maybe you could take over care of the dragon & take her home with you?

Keep us posted on her.

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Re: Trying to Help my Brother's Sick Looking Beardie

Postby Julie26 » Thu May 06, 2021 4:31 pm

Me and my brother both live with our parents, it is a complicated family dynamic, I have to step on eggshells when speaking to him. I will be moving out soon though, and I'll be taking her with me.

I was able to order new uvb lamps today, and I am putting another heat lamp in her tank in a few minutes. She seemed a lot more active and her poop was more solid as well. She is still pooping every day though. Is this normal for adults?

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Re: Trying to Help my Brother's Sick Looking Beardie

Postby KarrieRee » Thu May 06, 2021 4:48 pm

Yes its good shes pooping every day --once you get the UVB please let me know so I can help you place it ---- what did you order? Make sure your keeping an eye on those basking temps --- they need to be 95-100 for her and taken w/ a digital probe thermometer
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Re: Trying to Help my Brother's Sick Looking Beardie

Postby Julie26 » Thu May 06, 2021 5:13 pm

A UVB 10.0 compact fluorescent, 26W
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Re: Trying to Help my Brother's Sick Looking Beardie

Postby KarrieRee » Thu May 06, 2021 5:20 pm

Ok those aren't bad not the best the long tube would of been better- so w/ that bulb it needs to be unobstructed directly over the basking decor 6-8 inches-- it needs to be in a reflective dome! Change it out in 6 months I recommend 5
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