Please help! Beardie not using front arms, lethargic --

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Please help! Beardie not using front arms, lethargic --

Postby Tignaw » Tue Jan 19, 2021 5:55 pm

I dont know what happened. Just a week ago she was scurrying around her tank with so much energy.
Over 1 night I noticed she was really lethargic and refused to use her front arms. She CAN move them but is just staying on her stomach and constantly looks sleepy. I fed her some super worms and wax worms yesturday and today I came home to find that shes thrown it all up. She now refuses to eat.
I'm extremely worried that she might die because of how tired she looks. She doesnt seem to want to be touched either. Please help, I'm afraid theres not many vets near me that look at reptiles and I just dont know what to do.
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Re: Please help! Beardie not using front arms, lethargic --

Postby KarrieRee » Tue Jan 19, 2021 6:07 pm

Please go over the UVB brand and bulb where in the tank is it ? Is it a tube or a coil? Basking temps what are they and how are you taking them ? No stick ons they are inaccurate--
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Re: Please help! Beardie not using front arms, lethargic --

Postby Selkie1993 » Tue Jan 19, 2021 6:49 pm

Provide the tank setup, heating, etc. so the more experienced posters can see if something is going on.

Right now, I suggest finding an emergency vet for the little one.

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Re: Please help! Beardie not using front arms, lethargic --

Postby AHBD » Tue Jan 19, 2021 7:11 pm

Lighting is very important as pointed out. Right now the vomiting has made her weak + dehydrated. Drip some water on her snout so she can drink , this is very important, just do this slowly and she should start lapping it up. Avoid those types of feeders and stick with small crickets, dubias and bsfl like calci or reptiworms.
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Re: Please help! Beardie not using front arms, lethargic --

Postby Tignaw » Tue Jan 19, 2021 9:55 pm

KarrieRee wrote:Please go over the UVB brand and bulb where in the tank is it ? Is it a tube or a coil? Basking temps what are they and how are you taking them ? No stick ons they are inaccurate--
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I'm very sorry if late response. It's been a very hectic day.
Heat is from a 100W ZooMed Repti basking spot lamp. Temps in that are around 95-105. I use a ceramic heat lamp at night. UVB is coming from a 10.0 UVB Reptisun. It's a the long tube like lamp. Shes in a 40 gal. The one with the doors that open at the front.
For temperatures I use a Zoomed digital thermometer.
I've used these for a very long time and shes normally been a very active and alert girl with a great appetite.

It's currently suspected to be that shes eaten something she wasnt supposed to. Boyfriend reported that she tried eating a piece of her own dried poop while I was away at work.
I just cleaned her tank, and bathed her. She drank a bunch of water, and I put her back to bask since she wont move much.
Her colors are bright, no black beard. She seems totally awake now and seems to have perked up and even started moving her front arms a LITTLE but she still wont eat. Shes looking a ton better within just a few hours honestly and I'm just confused. RELIEVED but still shaky about earlier.
If theres anything wrong with the bulbs I'm using please tell me your recommendations, I'm willing to do what I can to prevent this from happening.
I'm worried her ceramic bulb isnt keeping her warm enough night. My roommate refuses to turn the heater on so it gets quite chilly even in these mediocre SoCal winters.
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Re: Please help! Beardie not using front arms, lethargic --

Postby Tignaw » Tue Jan 19, 2021 10:04 pm

AHBD wrote:Lighting is very important as pointed out. Right now the vomiting has made her weak + dehydrated. Drip some water on her snout so she can drink , this is very important, just do this slowly and she should start lapping it up. Avoid those types of feeders and stick with small crickets, dubias and bsfl like calci or reptiworms.


Sorry I'm seeing this a little late. She drank a ton of water and started doing much better an hour after. She started moving her front arms a tiny bit but still wont show interest in eating. I'll have her usual greens available in the morning and plan on getting a horn worm or 2 to her tomorrow for added hydration. She goes CRAZY for them the few times I do provide them (dont worry they're not a staple) so I'm hoping that'll spunk her up to eat some dubias. Thanks so much btw I'll keep the super worms out of the way for now.
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Re: Please help! Beardie not using front arms, lethargic --

Postby AHBD » Wed Jan 20, 2021 6:28 am

Yeah they rarely eat the same day or day after vomiting but they usually will drink. BTW, how big is she ? Her problem wouldn't be from eating a small bit of poo, lots of dragons do , it was almost certainly from the superworms + waxworms, especially if she ate a lot and if it was later in the day.
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Re: Please help! Beardie not using front arms, lethargic --

Postby KarrieRee » Wed Jan 20, 2021 7:20 am

What bulb is the UVB a T 8 or a T 5? And how old is it? You said you have used these for a very long time--- if that bulb is over a year old for the T 5 its expired and the T 8 over 6 months old it too is expired -where in the tank is the UVB
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Re: Please help! Beardie not using front arms, lethargic --

Postby Tignaw » Wed Jan 20, 2021 9:27 am

AHBD wrote:Yeah they rarely eat the same day or day after vomiting but they usually will drink. BTW, how big is she ? Her problem wouldn't be from eating a small bit of poo, lots of dragons do , it was almost certainly from the superworms + waxworms, especially if she ate a lot and if it was later in the day.


I've had her for almost 3 years. Shes an adult now but I will admit I may have fed her a bit too much, shes never been much of an opportunistic eater and will stop after a bit but this time she hadn't so I very well could have over fed by my own ignorance.
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Re: Please help! Beardie not using front arms, lethargic --

Postby Tignaw » Wed Jan 20, 2021 9:32 am

KarrieRee wrote:What bulb is the UVB a T 8 or a T 5? And how old is it? You said you have used these for a very long time--- if that bulb is over a year old for the T 5 its expired and the T 8 over 6 months old it too is expired -where in the tank is the UVB
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I'm actually not sure to be honest! I'll have to check when I get home. I just switched out her lamp last night after a run to the store because of the scare.
Tl clear something up, I change her bulbs regularly, I've just USED the same brand of bulbs for a long time. I've had her for 3 years almost with no problems. I keep her uvb as close to her basking spot as I can.
I've seen people use a heat and UVB bulb in a paired dome and wondered if that may be the best idea.
But I will have to check if its a T 5 or 8 when I get home.
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Re: Please help! Beardie not using front arms, lethargic --

Postby KarrieRee » Wed Jan 20, 2021 9:37 am

Please do those bulbs have certain distances- and placement
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Re: Please help! Beardie not using front arms, lethargic --

Postby Drache613 » Wed Jan 20, 2021 11:12 pm

Hello,

Definitely post some pictures of her along with the tank setup too. The Reptisun 10
is a good bulb. The lighting placement/distance would vary if it is a T8 or a T5.
How is your girl doing, is she using her front arms more?
How much did you feed her?
I am glad she seems to be feeling better though. As suggested, try to get more oral fluids
into her to get her hydrated again. Let us know how she is doing.

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