4 months old juvenile acting lethargic with no appetite

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4 months old juvenile acting lethargic with no appetite

Postby Sharp852 » Tue Oct 13, 2020 5:13 am

Hello over there!

Thanks for venturing over here, I guess i have a little problem with my juvenile.
She is 4 months old - I have her for 2 months right now, female Hypo het Trans Leatherback. She lives in 100x50x50cm enclosure, equipped with ProT5 6% 20-22cm from her back, 35w Halogen GU10 plugged on thermostat with thermals in basking zone around 43c and cool side 28-30c. Alongside those with also 2 linear fullspectrum lamps running the length of enclosure - Arcadia Natural Sunlight 2% which supplements mainly visible colors and light and Narva Reptilight which is fimila to Arcadia one but with big emphasis on UVA wavelengths. She was feeding on dubias, locusts and BSFL.

I would say things above are on point, so let's get to the problem...
For first weeks she was pretty energic, eating like a madman - or mad woman. But suddenly she stopped eating that much (I have given her a bit less one week because my dubia shipment was delayed, so she would eat half of what she would normally just to get her going through the week).
She got to the point of not interested in eating whatsoever and only hiding in top corners (will attach older enclosure photo, already working on finishing her climbing wall so she don't sit there all day). That was when I was using equipped described in introduction but instead of 2 linears for full spectrum I was using LEDs, but I found out they are miscolored for them so I thought she was hiding from bad light.
So I changed LEDs for those linears, and guess what - day and night difference in activity, but not appetite. She still likes to hide in evenings but she's definitely active in earlier hours but still not like when arrived.
Flash for feeding, for now for almost a month I have to assist-fed her, like putting food right in the mouth and then she will eat. This way I always try to make her eat at least few dubias.
She is growing but extremely slow, at 2 months she was 50g and now at 4 months she's shy of 100g, where other dragons, or especially one which arrived with her is twice the size...

Fecal tests were done and she's clean based on them, for now I'm trying to get more samples just to be sure she doesn't have any parasites.

Thanks again for reading, I appreciate that and also any suggestions of what could help her or what could be the problem.

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Re: 4 months old juvenile acting lethargic with no appetite

Postby KarrieRee » Tue Oct 13, 2020 1:27 pm

I would up that bulb to a 12% Arcadia -- as far as the other bulbs you have in the tank I am not familiar w/ so I am going to have some others on here look at your post
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Re: 4 months old juvenile acting lethargic with no appetite

Postby Sharp852 » Wed Oct 14, 2020 9:27 am

KarrieRee wrote:I would up that bulb to a 12% Arcadia -- as far as the other bulbs you have in the tank I am not familiar w/ so I am going to have some others on here look at your post
Karrie


Thanks for response, I always put people in worries by 6% one, but I adjusted it following RAWG page at which 6% is producing 5.6 UVI, and according to Arcadia ProT5 reflector is more focused than standalone one so its even powerful, somewhere a bit over 6 UVI.
But we are always learning so perhaps that could be still a problem, thats just my understanding of reading.

As for other 2 linear tubes for "full spectrum" I cannot find spectrum on any english site, so could later upload a screenshot from PDF, if desired.

EDIT:
First one is Reptilight from Narva, couldn't find English version but that shouldn't be problem, and second one is Arcadia Natural Sunlight
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Re: 4 months old juvenile acting lethargic with no appetite

Postby KarrieRee » Wed Oct 14, 2020 12:49 pm

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Re: 4 months old juvenile acting lethargic with no appetite

Postby CooperDragon » Thu Oct 15, 2020 10:27 am

She looks nice and healthy based on your photos. Your lighting sounds just right. Good distance for a 6% UVB and good temperature ranges across the tank. It sounds like she did not like the LEDs (or maybe coincidence) but that is corrected already. Since she is active and gaining weight (slowly is OK) she may just be waiting on some growth spurts that will come later. Their appetites do increase and decrease at times. As long as she isn't losing weight or acting sleepy or sick, then she is probably OK. Try offering some treats and see if that gets her interest. Maybe a new vegetable or a new worm of some kind. I'm not sure what you have available, but sometimes offering something new or bright colored gets their attention. My guy goes crazy for the bright green hornworms. They all have their own preferences though.
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Re: 4 months old juvenile acting lethargic with no appetite

Postby Sharp852 » Sun Oct 18, 2020 10:29 am

CooperDragon wrote:She looks nice and healthy based on your photos. Your lighting sounds just right. Good distance for a 6% UVB and good temperature ranges across the tank. It sounds like she did not like the LEDs (or maybe coincidence) but that is corrected already. Since she is active and gaining weight (slowly is OK) she may just be waiting on some growth spurts that will come later. Their appetites do increase and decrease at times. As long as she isn't losing weight or acting sleepy or sick, then she is probably OK. Try offering some treats and see if that gets her interest. Maybe a new vegetable or a new worm of some kind. I'm not sure what you have available, but sometimes offering something new or bright colored gets their attention. My guy goes crazy for the bright green hornworms. They all have their own preferences though.


Hello!

She'll surely love to hear that lol.
Not exactly active, still pretty lethargic as opposed to first week after arrival, but for now i would just describe her as lazy...
Yeah, LEDs weren't good idea, so I will slowly change them also in other enclosures for current 2-tube combo.
For now, I give her around 5-10 dubias a day with Insectivore powder gel which I syringe fed her every morning and evening just to be sure and give her additional nutrients alongside hydration. Already ordered Arcadia EarthPro InsectiGold and OmniGold powders...I'm wondering if i could switch them up for her, like in morning one of them, and in the evening the other one. Or just keep it simple with Insectivore one till she's adult and then switch. Also using omnivore one on other adult generally.
After all, we still dont know what could cause her slowed progress...but I settled with theory of her just going into "energy-saving" mode due to coming winter, as she couldn't brumate because of her being too young. Hopefully she'll keep gaining weight slowly and then after winter she'll become active again..
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