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Pet store employees

Postby jazyman » Sat Oct 19, 2019 6:18 pm

When picking up crickets from PetSmart for my beardie, we noticed someone carrying a small tote full of crickets. Out of curiosity, my mom and I asked what they were for. They said “a baby bearded dragon”. They said they had around 20 crickets to feed their baby for the next few days. I know it’s none of our business, but we told them “you’re going to need more!” because we’d hate for a baby to go starving. They told us, “are you crazy? They only need like 4-6 a day. We give ours two crickets at each feeding.” They then asked us how many we gave ours and we told them, 3-5 feedings a day, where we allow ours to eat as many as they need. They tell us when they are full when they run back to their rocks. This ends up being close to 30-50 a day. They told us that we needed to stop feeding ours so much and that ours would be extremely unhealthy if we fed ours that many. So far, ours has been very healthy and has had no problems. A PetSmart employee overheard our conversation and told us that we were feeding ours too much. I know that not very many know much about caring for their pets they sell, but she kept telling us we were doing everything wrong. I have done my research (even have a few pages of notes!) and I have not read this anywhere. They told us they feed theirs once a day, and they will get around 4 crickets, or sometimes worms, each. This seems very unhealthy for the babies, especially at this age where they are so fragile. When we got ours, he was extremely malnourished and dehydrated. I’ve noticed a lot of their pets are. It seems that everytime we go in there, this woman (and a few others) criticize me on how I care for mine!
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Re: Pet store employees

Postby Gormagon » Sat Oct 19, 2019 6:42 pm

You just keep doing it the way you are and dont worry about those uneducated mor0ns at petsmart .
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Re: Pet store employees

Postby jazyman » Sat Oct 19, 2019 7:13 pm

I will. I feel bad for those beardies who are brought into homes like that. I wouldn’t have a problem if I was actually doing something wrong and they were helping me to care for him. I hate that they don’t know what they are doing, and they tell customers to care for them the way that they have been. When I got my beardie, he was throwing up and had diarrhea from their care. Since then, he’s been very healthy. Not sure what all they did there. Never looks like they have appropriate lighting, water, or heat. I know for sure they don’t get the right food. I wish something could be done about this. It’s not just the PetSmart near me, but pretty much all of them.
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Re: Pet store employees

Postby kingofnobbys » Sat Oct 19, 2019 7:27 pm

Too easy to buy reptiles over there (in the USA), too easy for pet shops to stock and sell them too.

A lot of very bad advise given by know-nothing petshop sales staff who are totally clueless and too many clueless buyers who don't / can't be bothered to do some research on how to care the reptiles they more often than not buy on impulse and who regard as "disposable" commodities.
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Re: Pet store employees

Postby daveferns1 » Sat Oct 19, 2019 8:23 pm

jazyman wrote:I will. I feel bad for those beardies who are brought into homes like that. I wouldn’t have a problem if I was actually doing something wrong and they were helping me to care for him. I hate that they don’t know what they are doing, and they tell customers to care for them the way that they have been. When I got my beardie, he was throwing up and had diarrhea from their care. Since then, he’s been very healthy. Not sure what all they did there. Never looks like they have appropriate lighting, water, or heat. I know for sure they don’t get the right food. I wish something could be done about this. It’s not just the PetSmart near me, but pretty much all of them.


I know its unfortunate, I wish more people did their research or that pet stores were better regulated on reptiles. The sad thing is that bearded dragons are just so easy to breed and babies have just completely flooded the pet market, adding the fact that these little guys are cute and people just walk into a store and buy one without the slightest thought what a reptile might require. Baby beardies have just ended up as a cash grab for chain pet stores, Ive also noticed that most chain pet stores dont have many adults or juveniles probably because their babies dont survive that long.
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Re: Pet store employees

Postby Drache613 » Sun Oct 20, 2019 1:07 am

Hello,

Unfortunately, it is due to the Corporate headquarters who gives the stores handouts on
"How to care for Reptiles" which is terribly wrong. It is all to stay on budget & save money
honestly. They simply don't care & most likely wont change their guidelines unless they are
somehow forced to.

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Re: Pet store employees

Postby ComicBookMama » Sun Oct 20, 2019 8:28 am

It's definitely unfortunate that most pet store employees don't have any experience with reptile pets outside of the basic training the store provides, which is, as Tracie noted, driven by the bottom line - move 'em out of the store as quickly as possible, make as much money on them as possible (which makes me wonder why they don't advise more feedings of a respectable amount; they'd make more money on crickets that way). The company won't change unless we, the consumers, demand that they change.

BUT - if you go to a store where the employees have pet reptiles of their own, like my local Petco does, you will often get different and better advice. I'm in and out of Petco several times a week buying 100 crickets at a go for Figment, the stomach on legs, and I've never been told that I'm feeding him too much - in fact, I've been asked why I don't order in bulk online instead of coming in to the store all the time!
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Re: Pet store employees

Postby BeardedDragonSteve » Sun Oct 20, 2019 9:28 am

jazyman wrote:When picking up crickets from PetSmart for my beardie, we noticed someone carrying a small tote full of crickets. Out of curiosity, my mom and I asked what they were for. They said “a baby bearded dragon”. They said they had around 20 crickets to feed their baby for the next few days. I know it’s none of our business, but we told them “you’re going to need more!” because we’d hate for a baby to go starving. They told us, “are you crazy? They only need like 4-6 a day. We give ours two crickets at each feeding.” They then asked us how many we gave ours and we told them, 3-5 feedings a day, where we allow ours to eat as many as they need. They tell us when they are full when they run back to their rocks. This ends up being close to 30-50 a day. They told us that we needed to stop feeding ours so much and that ours would be extremely unhealthy if we fed ours that many. So far, ours has been very healthy and has had no problems. A PetSmart employee overheard our conversation and told us that we were feeding ours too much. I know that not very many know much about caring for their pets they sell, but she kept telling us we were doing everything wrong. I have done my research (even have a few pages of notes!) and I have not read this anywhere. They told us they feed theirs once a day, and they will get around 4 crickets, or sometimes worms, each. This seems very unhealthy for the babies, especially at this age where they are so fragile. When we got ours, he was extremely malnourished and dehydrated. I’ve noticed a lot of their pets are. It seems that everytime we go in there, this woman (and a few others) criticize me on how I care for mine!

IMO I think that petco knows a bit more and keep their animals a bit better not saying that they treat them the right way but yeah just do what you do as an earlier comment said they are m0r0ns and they really only care about money.
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Re: Pet store employees

Postby jazyman » Sun Oct 20, 2019 11:57 am

ComicBookMama wrote:It's definitely unfortunate that most pet store employees don't have any experience with reptile pets outside of the basic training the store provides, which is, as Tracie noted, driven by the bottom line - move 'em out of the store as quickly as possible, make as much money on them as possible (which makes me wonder why they don't advise more feedings of a respectable amount; they'd make more money on crickets that way). The company won't change unless we, the consumers, demand that they change.

BUT - if you go to a store where the employees have pet reptiles of their own, like my local Petco does, you will often get different and better advice. I'm in and out of Petco several times a week buying 100 crickets at a go for Figment, the stomach on legs, and I've never been told that I'm feeding him too much - in fact, I've been asked why I don't order in bulk online instead of coming in to the store all the time!


The sad thing is, they all say they have beardies. Before going to PetSmart (we got there because crickets are cheaper), we were looking at the beardie supplies at Petco. We asked for a heating pad because our house gets around 50 or less degrees at night and we were afraid of the effects on him. We told them we would have carpet over it and it would just raise the temp a bit so it’s not as cold. They told us that they keep their bearded dragon at home in 60 or less all of the time. They said they feed their babies mealworms and they’re fine. I just try not to listen to anything they say.
The one that told me about feeding them 2 crickets per feeding said that she has a few babies at home. I feel like beardies and all pets are too easy to buy. Most people see them and go “oh that’s cute! I’m going to get one” without any research. I hate that they are impulse buys. Almost makes me want to get a job at one of these stores to help in the proper care of them!
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Re: Pet store employees

Postby kingofnobbys » Sun Oct 20, 2019 4:18 pm

jazyman wrote:
ComicBookMama wrote:It's definitely unfortunate that most pet store employees don't have any experience with reptile pets outside of the basic training the store provides, which is, as Tracie noted, driven by the bottom line - move 'em out of the store as quickly as possible, make as much money on them as possible (which makes me wonder why they don't advise more feedings of a respectable amount; they'd make more money on crickets that way). The company won't change unless we, the consumers, demand that they change.

BUT - if you go to a store where the employees have pet reptiles of their own, like my local Petco does, you will often get different and better advice. I'm in and out of Petco several times a week buying 100 crickets at a go for Figment, the stomach on legs, and I've never been told that I'm feeding him too much - in fact, I've been asked why I don't order in bulk online instead of coming in to the store all the time!


The sad thing is, they all say they have beardies. Before going to PetSmart (we got there because crickets are cheaper), we were looking at the beardie supplies at Petco. We asked for a heating pad because our house gets around 50 or less degrees at night and we were afraid of the effects on him. We told them we would have carpet over it and it would just raise the temp a bit so it’s not as cold. They told us that they keep their bearded dragon at home in 60 or less all of the time. They said they feed their babies mealworms and they’re fine. I just try not to listen to anything they say.
The one that told me about feeding them 2 crickets per feeding said that she has a few babies at home. I feel like beardies and all pets are too easy to buy. Most people see them and go “oh that’s cute! I’m going to get one” without any research. I hate that they are impulse buys. Almost makes me want to get a job at one of these stores to help in the proper care of them!


I know this wont happen in your country - too many vested interests will oppose it, but you really need a system like we have here in Australia (where ownership is restricted, and not a right but a privilege).
We have 2 levels of permit applicable to most keepers -
companion pet ( can be a reptile but only allowed ONE ) on the licence,
general keeper ( can keep more than one so long as it's not classified as dangerous or advanced (requiring special training / experience ) on the licence.

No licence sighted , no sale PERIOD , no iffs no buts.

Plus it takes several weeks usually for the state government agency who handles wildlife licencing to "process" licence applications here , so this gives a "cooling off period" between the application and being able to actually purchase the reptile/s.

And only specially licenced pet shops can stock and sell live reptiles ( not an easy licence to get and requires staff to all be licenced keepers ( possibly even advanced level keepers ).

No one can walk into a petshop here , see a hatchling or baby or juvenile reptile , decide on the spot "ooo … cute !" and then hand over cash or a credit card to walk out with it in a tub or box WITHOUT proving they are a licenced keeper first and they MUST exchange details with the shop ( licence numbers, contact details and then update their keepers' log with these details ( online ).

Like said - too darned easy for people who are clueless to buy and sell reptiles over there and the reptiles pay the price especially when clueless shop staff or sellers give very bad advise to NOOBs who think they are knowledgeable / experts.
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Re: Pet store employees

Postby skyfishcafe » Sun Oct 20, 2019 4:33 pm

kingofnobbys wrote:I know this wont happen in your country - too many vested interests will oppose it, but you really need a system like we have here in Australia (where ownership is restricted, and not a right but a privilege).
We have 2 levels of permit applicable to most keepers -
companion pet ( can be a reptile but only allowed ONE ) on the licence,
general keeper ( can keep more than one so long as it's not classified as dangerous or advanced (requiring special training / experience ) on the licence.

No licence sighted , no sale PERIOD , no iffs no buts.

And only specially licenced pet shops can stock and sell live reptiles ( not an easy licence to get and requires staff to all be licenced keepers ( possibly even advanced level keepers ).


I wish this were the case here -- particularly if licensure required a certain amount of education and not simply payment of a fee/tax. I'd happily obtain the training and license required -- though I have enough social privilege that I could probably do so fairly easily. Other people may not be so fortunate.

When I was in a rough patch several years ago I spent a little over a year as a PetSmart cashier. It's sad but, like Tracie said above, the petcare employees are mistrained/maltrained by what amounts to hearsay that originated with corporate bean counters and sloughed its way down the company chute.
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Re: Pet store employees

Postby kingofnobbys » Sun Oct 20, 2019 6:25 pm

skyfishcafe wrote:
kingofnobbys wrote:I know this wont happen in your country - too many vested interests will oppose it, but you really need a system like we have here in Australia (where ownership is restricted, and not a right but a privilege).
We have 2 levels of permit applicable to most keepers -
companion pet ( can be a reptile but only allowed ONE ) on the licence,
general keeper ( can keep more than one so long as it's not classified as dangerous or advanced (requiring special training / experience ) on the licence.

No licence sighted , no sale PERIOD , no iffs no buts.

And only specially licenced pet shops can stock and sell live reptiles ( not an easy licence to get and requires staff to all be licenced keepers ( possibly even advanced level keepers ).


I wish this were the case here -- particularly if licensure required a certain amount of education and not simply payment of a fee/tax. I'd happily obtain the training and license required -- though I have enough social privilege that I could probably do so fairly easily. Other people may not be so fortunate.

<<<< if someone can't afford to pay for their licence to keep the animal , they shouldn't really be buying a pet reptile.

When I was in a rough patch several years ago I spent a little over a year as a PetSmart cashier. It's sad but, like Tracie said above, the petcare employees are mistrained/maltrained by what amounts to hearsay that originated with corporate bean counters and sloughed its way down the company chute.
CBDs: Cleopatra & Caesar born 28Jan19.
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Fluffy (F) rescued injured by lawnwacker 14Nov17, Wriggles (F) - injured rescue, over 8 yrs old, RIP 2Feb16 old age. Lucky juvenile (M) - cat attack rescue (lost r-eye, broken r-lower jaw), fatal SI RIP 21Jul2010.
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Re: Pet store employees

Postby BeardedDragonSteve » Sun Oct 20, 2019 6:37 pm

daveferns1 wrote:
jazyman wrote:I will. I feel bad for those beardies who are brought into homes like that. I wouldn’t have a problem if I was actually doing something wrong and they were helping me to care for him. I hate that they don’t know what they are doing, and they tell customers to care for them the way that they have been. When I got my beardie, he was throwing up and had diarrhea from their care. Since then, he’s been very healthy. Not sure what all they did there. Never looks like they have appropriate lighting, water, or heat. I know for sure they don’t get the right food. I wish something could be done about this. It’s not just the PetSmart near me, but pretty much all of them.


I know its unfortunate, I wish more people did their research or that pet stores were better regulated on reptiles. The sad thing is that bearded dragons are just so easy to breed and babies have just completely flooded the pet market, adding the fact that these little guys are cute and people just walk into a store and buy one without the slightest thought what a reptile might require. Baby beardies have just ended up as a cash grab for chain pet stores, Ive also noticed that most chain pet stores dont have many adults or juveniles probably because their babies dont survive that long.

Pet stores dont normally have older bearded dragons because they are bigger and are more expensive to keep because you cant have 10-20 in a proper cage its just more convenient for them to sell them younger.
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Re: Pet store employees

Postby Moon4wolfgirl » Mon Oct 21, 2019 4:51 am

ComicBookMama wrote:It's definitely unfortunate that most pet store employees don't have any experience with reptile pets outside of the basic training the store provides, which is, as Tracie noted, driven by the bottom line - move 'em out of the store as quickly as possible, make as much money on them as possible (which makes me wonder why they don't advise more feedings of a respectable amount; they'd make more money on crickets that way). The company won't change unless we, the consumers, demand that they change.

BUT - if you go to a store where the employees have pet reptiles of their own, like my local Petco does, you will often get different and better advice. I'm in and out of Petco several times a week buying 100 crickets at a go for Figment, the stomach on legs, and I've never been told that I'm feeding him too much - in fact, I've been asked why I don't order in bulk online instead of coming in to the store all the time!

yes it is much better when the employees have their own reptiles and know what they are doing, like my local petsense and pet supplies plus.
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