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Antibiotics

Postby vmanilova » Tue Sep 10, 2019 2:39 am

Hello, I posted about a month ago about my beardie being in brumation for 5 months. Well he still is so I took him to a vet and he said I should give him antibiotics to bring him out of brunation because sometimes they have that affect. Do you agree with this approach ?
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Re: Antibiotics

Postby kingofnobbys » Tue Sep 10, 2019 3:14 am

Is the dragon's body weight stable ?

Run down on tank temperatures , how they are measured .

Run down on photoperiod ( when are light on / off ? )

Run down on UV source , be as detailed as you can . How old is the UV source ?

Is the vet a certified and experienced REPTILE VET ?

I'm very dubious about giving antibiotics to "wake up a dragon" , sounds like an excuse to sell something that's not necessary. I'm very dubious and am inclined to put this in the "snake oil" department and more likely to do harm than good if there is no infection to fight.
Did the vet take any samples ( blood, swab ) , and found the dragon is sick as a result or is he/she just grasping at straws ?
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Re: Antibiotics

Postby AHBD » Tue Sep 10, 2019 3:42 am

I agree, I have never ever heard of such a thing and I've brumated quite a few dragons. Please do go over the tank info as the other poster mentioned. Pics of the dragon + his tank will also be helpful. Getting him in the sun will help as well. If he has a hide in the tank, take it out ASAP.
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Re: Antibiotics

Postby vmanilova » Tue Sep 10, 2019 4:42 pm

So I guess I should have mentioned he did take stool and that was fine. He took blood and said his liver enzymes are elevated, but last year when he took blood they were also elevated so we assumed that it could be just hereditary that his liver is abnormal. He actually gained 10grams from last year.
Temperatures are about 95-98 in the basking spot and about 80 in the cooler side. I replaced the reptisun 10.0 recently so that’s not old. He’s 4 years old. Lights on at 6am and off at 6:30 pm - they were always like that, just because I leave to work early so I want to feed and let him run around before that.
The vet is a reptile vet - the only one on my area and has very good reviews. Other vets said that he’s the beta reptile vet.
Pictures below, I will be removing the hide, because he keeps on going there when I take him out. I took him outside a few times and as soon as I put him back he runs to his hide.
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Re: Antibiotics

Postby AHBD » Tue Sep 10, 2019 5:59 pm

He looks very hefty so he has kept all his weight during brumation. He's so well fed that he's not inclined to interrupt his months long snooze because he doesn't need any food to boost his strength or anything. Def. take the hide out and you need to keep his lights on much longer. like until 8:30-9:00 p.m. He needs a longer photo period, more " daylight " time.
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Re: Antibiotics

Postby Drache613 » Tue Sep 10, 2019 9:56 pm

Hello,

Absolutely no, I would not recommend giving any antibiotics to your dragon who has been
brumating for 5+ months. One primary reason is that he is very slown down & his metabolism
would simply not handle it in his system so it would greatly tax his renal system. It could
cause him to become ill.
I think all he needs is encouragement & some sunshine. You can definitely take out any of
the hides that are in the tank, as suggested to try & get him to bask more. He looks good overall
so I doubt he is ill right now.
What type of lighting do you have again?

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Re: Antibiotics

Postby kingofnobbys » Wed Sep 11, 2019 1:27 am

vmanilova wrote:So I guess I should have mentioned he did take stool and that was fine. He took blood and said his liver enzymes are elevated, but last year when he took blood they were also elevated so we assumed that it could be just hereditary that his liver is abnormal. He actually gained 10grams from last year.
Temperatures are about 95-98 in the basking spot and about 80 in the cooler side. I replaced the reptisun 10.0 recently
<<<< Type of globe (compact, T8 linear , T5 linear) and wattage ?

so that’s not old. He’s 4 years old. Lights on at 6am and off at 6:30 pm - they were always like that, just because I leave to work early so I want to feed and let him run around before that.

<<< try nudging up the photoperiod , I'd go to 6am = ON, 9pm OFF.

The vet is a reptile vet - the only one on my area and has very good reviews. Other vets said that he’s the beta reptile vet.

<<< I'd ask exactly why he wants to try antibiotics.
<<< were any bloodtests done ? or is he shooting in the dark ?

Pictures below, I will be removing the hide, because he keeps on going there when I take him out. I took him outside a few times and as soon as I put him back he runs to his hide.
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CBDs: Cleopatra & Caesar born 28Jan19.
Puff (RIP 10Dec15),Rex (RIP 16Mar17),Toothless (RIP 26Nov17).Peppa (RIP 22Mar19).
EBTSs : George & Mildred (born july 2010).
EWSs : Fluffy - 4yr rescued lawnmowing accident victim 14Nov17.
Lucky - cat attack rescue, fatal SI RIP 21Jul2010.
Wriggles - rescued injured ,thought she was a big lizard, over 8 yrs old, RIP 2Feb16. .
Gecko : Godzilla the hatchling GEHYRA GECKO (hatched May 2019)
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Re: Antibiotics

Postby vmanilova » Wed Sep 11, 2019 3:06 am

Lights I have is the basking light 100 watts and t10 reptisun 24inches
He said antibiotics because of abnormal liver (from blood tests) and he thinks it helps come it brumation - but last year blood test showed the same and he was fine. He did do two brumationa last year but they weren’t this long - one three months in the spring and another one was 1.5 months in the winter. I’ll increase his light time and I just extended the lighting time - hopefully he will become more active
Thank you
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Re: Antibiotics

Postby AHBD » Wed Sep 11, 2019 4:35 am

There are 2 types of Reptisun 10.0 long tube bulbs. One is a t8 and one is a t5. The t5 is the much stronger one so if you have a t8 then your dragon is probably not getting enough uvb. The t5 is the very thin bulb [ the stronger one ] , the t8 is thicker. Here is the difference, sorry the pics are shaky :

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Re: Antibiotics

Postby vmanilova » Wed Sep 11, 2019 1:38 pm

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I have this one. Doesn’t say anything besides 10.0 on it
I will check on the actual light bulb once I’m home
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