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Re: Help, losing weight? Poop/vomit?

Postby Fury1212 » Wed Aug 21, 2019 8:09 am

Ok I took his hammock out completely and left the tree branch decor. The hammock was 7 inches from the bulb and the tree branch is 8 inches away. The tree branch temp is 96 degrees. I'm thinking put the hammock back in and use a cooler bulb? Thoughts?
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Re: Help, losing weight? Poop/vomit?

Postby KarrieRee » Wed Aug 21, 2019 8:12 am

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Re: Help, losing weight? Poop/vomit?

Postby Fury1212 » Wed Aug 21, 2019 9:56 am

Update: I changed the light bulb and put the hammock back up. He jumped up on the hammock. I put the probe end on his back and after 30mins it says 93 degrees.
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Re: Help, losing weight? Poop/vomit?

Postby claudiusx » Wed Aug 21, 2019 10:02 am

With him lying on the hammock how close is the uvb? It looks a lot closer than 7 inches in your picture.

93 is a bit too cool. 95 is the bare minimum I'd use for an adult. I'd aim for around 100 if you can.

But remember you dont want him too close to the uvb either as the harsh rays will discourage him from basking also.

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Re: Help, losing weight? Poop/vomit?

Postby Fury1212 » Wed Aug 21, 2019 10:27 am

claudiusx wrote:With him lying on the hammock how close is the uvb? It looks a lot closer than 7 inches in your picture.

93 is a bit too cool. 95 is the bare minimum I'd use for an adult. I'd aim for around 100 if you can.

But remember you dont want him too close to the uvb either as the harsh rays will discourage him from basking also.

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So the furthest spot from the lamp is 7 inches, his head is a lot closer to the bulb.
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Re: Help, losing weight? Poop/vomit?

Postby Drache613 » Thu Aug 22, 2019 4:10 pm

Hello,

He is a bit small but you should hopefully be able to get some weight onto him.
One other thing is that your Reptisun 10 tube, it does need to be in a light fixture with a
reflective backing to it so that the UVB can be directed downward & onto him. When you
mount it in that manner, the UVB tends to refract away & outward from them so that they
don't receive the benefits from it.
Let us know how he is doing.

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Re: Help, losing weight? Poop/vomit?

Postby Fury1212 » Fri Aug 23, 2019 10:09 am

Drache613 wrote:Hello,

He is a bit small but you should hopefully be able to get some weight onto him.
One other thing is that your Reptisun 10 tube, it does need to be in a light fixture with a
reflective backing to it so that the UVB can be directed downward & onto him. When you
mount it in that manner, the UVB tends to refract away & outward from them so that they
don't receive the benefits from it.
Let us know how he is doing.

Tracie


Thank you for that reminder, ours ripped and I never replaced it. I didn’t realize or i forgot about the reflection! Also, I weighed him on a hard surface and he was 336 grams. Before I was weighing him on the carpet. Completely different weight! I feel so much better that he weighs over 300! I went to petsmart and bought him a new reptisun 10.0 since he was due for a new bulb. I also used a taller lamp we have and put the hotter bulb back in. I took out his hammock and now the basking spot on his tree branch is 106. His head is now 8 inches away from the basking bulb and his back is 11 inches away. I will get the reflective backing ASAP. I bought some repti-boost to feed him. I gave him a small dose today and a nice bath. He drinks so much water several times a week I would be very surprised if he was dehydrated. Im hoping the fat spots on his head rise again soon!
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Re: Help, losing weight? Poop/vomit?

Postby claudiusx » Fri Aug 23, 2019 1:42 pm

That's good! 336g is a much more acceptable weight! :mrgreen:
Fury1212 wrote: took out his hammock and now the basking spot on his tree branch is 106. His head is now 8 inches away from the basking bulb and his back is 11 inches away.

That sounds perfect! Great job! i'm sure it will start to make a good change. I'm so happy you were able to work this out.

I really feel now that he has some proper temps that his digestion and absorbtion will be much better!

Keep us posted! :)

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Re: Help, losing weight? Poop/vomit?

Postby kingofnobbys » Fri Aug 23, 2019 5:57 pm

Fury1212 wrote:Update: I changed the light bulb and put the hammock back up. He jumped up on the hammock. I put the probe end on his back and after 30mins it says 93 degrees.


93 degrees Farenheit is OK as a basking temperature. Anything within 4 degrees Celsius of the dragon's preferred body temperature is good.

The POBT for bearded dragons is 36 degrees C.

I second , move the UV tube so one end of it is directly overtop the basking spot. Aim for about 160-200 microW UVB / sq.cm at the basking spot ( ref to spec for your UV tube for the appropriate distance).
I don't see any evidence of metallic focusing reflector or hood , so the appropriate distance if the tube is a t5ho is 6 inches, a t8 is 3 inches.
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Re: Help, losing weight? Poop/vomit?

Postby claudiusx » Fri Aug 23, 2019 6:00 pm

93 is not a good basking temperature. Literally you can go to any care guide ever made and not one will tell you that 93 degrees is a good basking temperature.

OP, you are doing fine with everything you've done so far. Keep it up :)

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Re: Help, losing weight? Poop/vomit?

Postby kingofnobbys » Fri Aug 23, 2019 10:55 pm

Some real observational / behavioural science regarding dragons and temperatures (rather than handwaving keeper behavior that's not based on science at all) :

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Re: Help, losing weight? Poop/vomit?

Postby claudiusx » Sat Aug 24, 2019 5:23 am

Yeah the chart is referring to preferred body temperature not preferred or optimal basking temperature.
Kinda says that right on the chart.
Or do you also suggest cooking your steaks in the oven at 145f because that's the temperature you want them to be?

Its also a 40 year old "observation"

Follow this link to an actual scientific study on body temperatures in the actual reptile we are discussing here.
https://www.beardeddragon.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=87&t=250943

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Re: Help, losing weight? Poop/vomit?

Postby Fury1212 » Sat Aug 24, 2019 1:16 pm

He’s a different lizard today! He’s so bright that his belly is completely white and his body is super yellow! He had a healthy poop too🙌🏼🙌🏼
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Re: Help, losing weight? Poop/vomit?

Postby claudiusx » Sat Aug 24, 2019 1:24 pm

So glad the changes you've made are helping. Keep up the great work! :D

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Re: Help, losing weight? Poop/vomit?

Postby Fury1212 » Sat Aug 24, 2019 4:15 pm

claudiusx wrote:So glad the changes you've made are helping. Keep up the great work! :D

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Thank you for your help!
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