Tylosin Vs. F10sc For RI

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Re: Tylosin Vs. F10sc For RI

Postby hmwyer » Tue Jul 23, 2019 6:21 pm

Yes, thank you! As do I! :D
No problem! I always dislike seeing posts when I'm looking for guidance that don't tell you what happens in the end even if what they tried didn't work and something else did instead. It's good to share what did or didn't work to help others, so I swore I would update with my end result when I posted this topic, even if it turned out not to work.

And that's exactly why I bought the hornworms! Haha! I kept reading ANY dragon would go nuts for them! I was disappointed when she didn't. In her defense though, **gross out warning** I did grind up some worms that got too big in a mini food chopper the first time I got them. I didn't realize they grow to 5 times their size almost overnight, but she seemed to enjoy the bug soup! :P :lol: She just never attacked any worms even after she tried the 'soup'. Hopefully though, I can change that soon. ^_^
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Re: Tylosin Vs. F10sc For RI

Postby claudiusx » Tue Jul 23, 2019 6:22 pm

Haha!

They do grow really fast! You can slow it down the next time you buy them by keeping them cooler. 55 basically stops them growing. I just keep them in a cold area of my house once they get near the size I want.

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Re: Tylosin Vs. F10sc For RI

Postby Drache613 » Wed Jul 24, 2019 7:44 am

Hello,

It's great to hear she has improved so much! :D
At least she seems to have a better appetite now also.
How is her appetite, slowly coming back too? I am so glad her respiratory issues have
essentially gone away now. Keep us posted on her progress.

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Re: Tylosin Vs. F10sc For RI

Postby hmwyer » Wed Jul 24, 2019 6:36 pm

Oh! Thanks for the tip Brandon! I'll definitely do that next time!

And, Tracie, yes her appetite is better. Still not yet where I want it to be, HOWEVER, I did manage to get her squeezed into the vet this Friday for attempt #2 at blood work. I was already taking one of my snakes for a check up, so I was like "Hmmm.....let's see if I can get a blood panel again since I'm already going down there." I like to take 2 or more animals per trip since it is a 2 hour drive, so hopefully if he's able to get enough blood this time we might be able to shed some light on if she's deficient in anything, or has any underlying problems. I hate to sound.....hopeful to find something, but I really do kind of hope he finds something so that I can have an answer for her behavior and be able to correct it. I hate guessing and not seeing improvement, and just not being able to help her. If I was a betting person, based on my recent research, I think her issue MIGHT be a vitamin B deficiency, but I could be way off. It just seems to fit the most out of everything I've ever read (apparent lack of sight, muscle spasms, twitching, head slowly drooping, bad posture). Does anyone know, if that is the case, I have read that lack of Vitamin B can cause blindness, among other things.....she has shown signs of not being able to really see or know where she is (walking in circles, running into things, just totally lying where she is out of frustration) and I can only get her to eat if I put it under her nose or rub the food on her face so she knows it's there. But my question is, does anyone know if the VitB blindness is permanent or does it come back when she's got it in her system to proper levels again?
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Re: Tylosin Vs. F10sc For RI

Postby claudiusx » Tue Aug 13, 2019 5:37 pm

Saw you were online, how's your girl doing for you? Hoping everything is good! :D
hmwyer wrote:does anyone know if the VitB blindness is permanent or does it come back when she's got it in her system to proper levels again?

Just saw this sorry! I honestly don't really know. Maybe Tracie would.

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Re: Tylosin Vs. F10sc For RI

Postby Drache613 » Tue Aug 13, 2019 6:41 pm

Hello,

I would not think that a vitamin B deficiency would yield permanent blindness, or haven't
seen anything that would indicate that in studies.
Do the vitamins you are giving her have vitamin B in them?
Is there anything else that could be causing eye issues that you can think of?
How are her colors, does she have a black beard at all, or is her beard normal color right
now?

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Re: Tylosin Vs. F10sc For RI

Postby hmwyer » Thu Aug 15, 2019 2:36 am

She's doing pretty good. Just her eyes don't look how they used to and that hump she gets when she walks really urks me. I called about xrays yesterday and the girl said they would do an exam to see if they were needed and I started to explain I WANT them done regardless of the vet's opinion because I'm just so lost as to her behaviour and appearance (running into stuff, walking in circles sometimes, tail being a limp noodle and getting all bent up when she walks, the hump she gets when walking, Sitting on her back feet, not eating on her own unless I literally put food on her nose and she licks it off, and not being like super active except like 2 times a day just to run around in a circle then lay back down).
And, no, she surprisingly isn't black bearding at all. It's staying it's normal coloration. And her colors are looking good also. And the vitamin B1 I had been giving was 100mg per tablet and so I did the whole tablet a few time in a bigger mix of repashy because I knew she wouldn't est it all at once anyways and it's water soluble so she wouldn't OD on it anyways, but then the herptivite had some Vit B1 in it, so I only have been giving her the Vitamin B1 tablet once a week. So it's been something like Monday I give just Bitamin B1, Tuesday, Thursday, and Saturday is the herptivite, and Wednesday, Friday, and Sunday are calcium days. Idk, maybe I'm over doing it now, to make up for not having the herptivite until just a month ago, but I will say her twitches in her thighs and hips and tail areas have gone that I can see. She still doesn't appear to see well, but she seems to be more "alert" when looking around and has run into less stuff also. Also, dosing on the vitamins and calcium, to give you an idea of the amount, I mix 1-2 teaspoons of repashy into a pudding like consistency and add in half a pinch (I have a measuring spoon that is literally labelled 'pinch', but I only use half because a full pinch scoop just seems like way too much to me) of the vitamins or calcium, whatever I'm doing that day. Then I take a stick of butternut squash and scoop up some repashy on it. Rub it on her nose and when she licks it off she goes crazy licking and twisting her head biting the air without really looking what she's doing so I have to chase her mouth with the stick of squash so she can actually eat it. But yeah, not sure if the half pinch is too much or not enough, but a whole pinch just really seemed like way too much compared to the food I was feeding. I'm not sure.
As for any other eye issues. I had thought maybe an infection, but they only water up like she crying when she eats and other than that nothing else seems wrong besides they are just dark with no real definitive white of her eyes or pupil, it's just oddly dark. Not black, it's still like a brownish color of just her eye color, but there's just no definition to her eyeball. Like it always a drawing that got smudged or something. I have eyedrops from the vet for another animal and he said I could use it for her too if I wanted, but said she didn't look infected to him, however offered no explanation for her eyes. He's a good vet for around here, but I wouldn't say he's 100% in the know on beardies, so I kind of will always look for second opinions.
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Re: Tylosin Vs. F10sc For RI

Postby Drache613 » Fri Aug 16, 2019 11:05 pm

Hello,

That is so frustrating about her eyes not looking right. I am not sure what could be going on.
She wouldn't have cataracs would she? Have you used any antibiotic eye ointment for her?
Does the new UVB light seem to be helping her at all?
So the twitching seems to have improved some? I am glad to hear that she is alert though
it seems like she is happy. At least she really likes the food mixture that you make up for her
that will help with her nutrition. I wouldn't give too much vitamins, etc, for too long just so she
doesn't get oversupplemented.
Has the hump on her back improved at all when she walks?

Let us know how she is doing.
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