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(Newcomer) Help Identifying Dragon

Postby Sabotender » Mon May 06, 2019 5:41 pm

I just wanted to say hello to every one and say that I am happy to be part of a bearded dragon forum. I have what appears to be a baby bearded dragon of unknown type. He currently shares a tank with a green anole because they are the same size. He will get a separate tank as he gets larger, because I don't want my anole to eventually become a light snack.

Couple of issues I've noticed, and perhaps you could help me with. The dragon sure is jumpy when I am around. He just doesn't like for me to hold him! He runs away and jumps around in the cage. When I finally catch him, he runs up my arm, to my shoulders, around the back of my neck and then up to my head, where I have to grab a mirror to see where he is. I was wondering if this is normal behavior. When I have him in my hand, he sits very very still, so still that I can hardly see him breathing and his eyes are closed. If I keep him in my hand for like ten minutes without moving, he suddenly (and I mean SUDDENLY) wakes up, comes alive and hops off my hand and tries to hide under a pillow or something.

I was reading that this is classic 'baby dragon' behavior, but I am simply not sure. I have had him for six months, and he is still super tiny. He has shed three times since I've had him, so I guess that is a good sign because he is growing? He eats every day, small to medium sized crickets that have been dusted with complete nurtient powder. Occasionally he will eat a waxworm, but he only eats those if he is desprate. My Anole prefers the worms. I read that dragons were omnivores, but mine absolutely refuses to eat anything that is not moving. He won't eat any fruit or veg! He just walks over and around them, spreading them around and makes a big ol mess. Notice that I used to have a vivarium with live plants. I thought that would help control ammonia and provide fresh air in the tank between cleanings, but he had a BAD habit of consuming the white volcanic pebbles in the tank. It worried me so much that he would become impacted and die that I recently changed to a reptile friendly fine sand made of calcium carbonate. At least, if he eats that stuff, he won't get impacted.

I've seen photos of various dragons online, but I am simply unable to identify what kind of dragon I have. He is so small that I thought he might be a pigmy dragon, but the pattern on his back is different than anything I've seen. So many people I've shown him to thought he was a snake at first because of his patterns. I am 80% sure its a dragon, because he definitely does the push-up thing. I see him do it every day. He has an eye-spot on the top of his head, and his tail does the characteristic 'wiggle' when he is hunting for food and about to lunge at something. Perhaps he is a hybrid? He doesn't have any spikes on his sides and his head is shaped differently than dragons I've seen. He also likes to bury himself in the sand to partially cover himself when its time for him to sleep.

I would be devastated if he weren't even a dragon at all...

Any help would be appreciated.

Oh, a bit of info about my cage. 10 gallon upright cage (it will be changed when he gets larger, I promise, he is just so small at the moment), with a 10.0 UVB compact florescent, cage has two heating lamps, one is a halogen bright white bulb that is on with the UVB bulb during the day, and an infrared bulb (to my horror, it turned out to be RED, I wanted the non-light variety) that comes on at night. There are two timers on the cage to control the different lamps

I have posted an image for your perusal.

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Re: (Newcomer) Help Identifying Dragon

Postby claudiusx » Mon May 06, 2019 7:05 pm

Do you have any more pics? It's hard to really see the details of the lizard from the pic you posted.

Your setup really isn't ideal for even a baby dragon. Without proper husbandry and diet they wont grow properly. But it might just be because im on my phone and the pic is hard to see but if it is a bearded dragon, it sure doesn't look like a central bearded dragon to me.

Did you find this guy outside?

And welcome to ther forum! :)

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Re: (Newcomer) Help Identifying Dragon

Postby CooperDragon » Tue May 07, 2019 7:49 am

I agree that some additional photos would be helpful. In that photo he looks more like a western fence lizard than a bearded dragon.
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Re: (Newcomer) Help Identifying Dragon

Postby Sabotender » Tue May 07, 2019 9:26 am

Do you know what? You are probably right. I googled 'Eastern Fence Lizard' and was presented with a picture that looks exactly like the one I have in my cage. This certainly explains a lot. But he exhibits very similar actions to a bearded dragon, like push ups. He also has an eye spot on the top of his head, like bearded dragons do. I got him at a flea market last year. It was listed as a 'Baby Bearded Dragon'. Guess I got what I paid for because he was only 25USD. I thought it was a steal because they are usually like 65USD at pets mart. At least I know he is not going to get much larger, which means I can probably do without getting a larger cage. I really wanted a dragon though. :-( Oh well. Perhaps sometime in the future.

Here is another picture of my lizards, with the Anole in the shot for scale.

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Re: (Newcomer) Help Identifying Dragon

Postby CooperDragon » Tue May 07, 2019 10:35 am

It's too bad that they sold a wild animal to you =/. I'd normally say he would be better off released into the wild, but if you've had him for over a year now then he might be better off in captivity. They are arboreal so you'll want to build your tank to have plenty of places to climb. A tall tank is probably a good idea. Try to replicate woodland/forest while providing an area to bask and get some UVB. They may not need UVB that is as intense as a bearded dragon, but this is just a guess based on trying to replicate the woodlands in the Southeast US. Temps may not need to be quite as high either. A range from around 75-95 during the day (cool side to basking area) is probably about right. They bask on fence posts and rock outcrops and hide in rock crevices or underground at night. Small bugs like crickets and roaches and black soldier fly larvae are probably still appropriate feeders for him. I'd continue reading more about their specific needs to make sure you're providing the best environment possible for him.
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Re: (Newcomer) Help Identifying Dragon

Postby Sabotender » Wed May 08, 2019 6:46 am

This is severely disappointed me. Don't misunderstand, I love my lizards, I just really wanted a bearded dragon. I am going to buy a new tank, 40 gallon kit which is all I have space for, and will buy a dragon from a breeder. I don't care about coloration or anything like that, just want to make sure I get one that comes from a line of calm temperament. There are some 40 gallon kits that are on special at pets mart for around 150USD, I will pick up one of those, since it comes with everything already to get my started. just about the only thing I will get for it is tube UV lighting for better coverage (I noticed that the kit only comes with a small compact florescent which is only really good for 10 gallon tanks). Do you have any dragon recommendations that I should keep my eye out for?

or...

should I just grab one at Pets Mart
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Re: (Newcomer) Help Identifying Dragon

Postby claudiusx » Wed May 08, 2019 7:11 am

If you get those kits definitely get the tube fixture and bulb. The cfls aren't even really suitable in 10g tanks.

I would suggest investing some time first into reading these forums for a week or so, and then buying what you need. Investing some time into researching on this site will end up saving you a lot of money and trouble in the long run.

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Re: (Newcomer) Help Identifying Dragon

Postby KarrieRee » Wed May 08, 2019 7:41 am

I agree w/ Brandon--- the "kits" at Petsmart are not recommended -- I was in looking at them yesterday when getting another basking bulb and whats in those kits is a lot of junk!!! People on here can recommend what to get and save you from throwing money away on stuff you dont need --- please ask and we can help--- besides that stuff they sell in those kits are harmful to the health of the bearded dragon -- it is like they are setting you up to fail in my opinion
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