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Re: Our new spikey scale babies Cleo & Caesar

Postby kingofnobbys » Tue Apr 09, 2019 5:23 am

Caesar was not impressed with me today , I had no crickets to give to him …. offered him a few BSFL lavae and the look of disgust he gave me was …. comical.
Being a softy I gave in and fished out some newly formed mealworm pupae and newly hatched mealworm beetles who were still soft and light coloured …. he loved them !!! (So did Cleo who climbed off her high basking spot and muscled in Caesar's buggy banquet).
She still had room for 8 big BSFL afterwards and made fast work of them.

Cleo is smaller than Caesar but seems to have his measure.

Caesar shed today ( was dull looking at 3pm when I went off my afternoon siesta , and I found shed skin all over the place when I returned to give the kiddies their afternoon meal at 5pm).

Actually saw Caesar nibbling on some salad this afternoon (he's a sly/shy salad eater, wont eat it if he thinks he's being watched).

Caesar is definitely armwaving at Cleo. Been trying to get a video of this but every time I turn on the old point n shoot camera and select movie , he stops and stares at the camera - I think he can hear it.
CBDs: Cleopatra & Caesar born 28Jan19.
Puff (RIP 10Dec15),Rex (RIP 16Mar17),Toothless (RIP 26Nov17).Peppa (RIP 22Mar19).
EBTSs : George & Mildred (born july 2010).
EWSs : Fluffy - 4yr rescued lawnmowing accident victim 14Nov17.
Lucky - cat attack rescue, fatal SI RIP 21Jul2010.
Wriggles - rescued injured ,thought she was a big lizard, over 8 yrs old, RIP 2Feb16. .
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Re: Our new spikey scale babies Cleo & Caesar

Postby kingofnobbys » Thu Apr 11, 2019 7:27 am

Caesar definitely has a taste for the greens - watched him raid the salad / BSFL dish twice today , both times he picked out the strips of buk choi and left the grated carrot and finely diced buk choi whites (stems) and ignored the BSFL.
Raided the salad as soon as I deposited it in the dish , and I had top it up again , and be was back into it after his second meal of crickets.
He really enjoyed his 25 d/old (1/4 size) crickets (arrived yesterday).

He has been eating a few BSFL when I deposit them infront of him.

Cleo is the worm junkie - loves her BSFL , takes them whole and live from the top of the fake hollow log , and from my fingers , LOVES getting their meat squeezed out and deposited on her lips too.
She's not overly keen on crickets but readily takes them whole and alive from my fingers.
I'm giving Cleo an extra meal of insects each day , hoping I can increase the slope of her growth trajectory cf Caesar's (who is a great eater and I have zero worries about wrt his growth and diet and development.

Cleo and I are spending a lot of time each day having quality daddy time - she loves being handled and petted and having snuggles , and I think she likes my feeding her separately from Caesar ( on my chest and by hand ). Been getting those little endearing beardie glances from her and she's been wanting to snuggle in my armpit or the crook of my elbow. I think she likes me.

A new 26W UVB200 globe and an extra ceramic e27 fitting arrived today and I think I have spare NanoHood set aside , so I'll be setting up another 120L AllSet tub over the weekend so I'll have a 3rd rearing tub ready to go.
CBDs: Cleopatra & Caesar born 28Jan19.
Puff (RIP 10Dec15),Rex (RIP 16Mar17),Toothless (RIP 26Nov17).Peppa (RIP 22Mar19).
EBTSs : George & Mildred (born july 2010).
EWSs : Fluffy - 4yr rescued lawnmowing accident victim 14Nov17.
Lucky - cat attack rescue, fatal SI RIP 21Jul2010.
Wriggles - rescued injured ,thought she was a big lizard, over 8 yrs old, RIP 2Feb16. .
Gecko : Godzilla the hatchling GEHYRA GECKO (hatched May 2019)
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Re: Our new spikey scale babies Cleo & Caesar

Postby kingofnobbys » Thu Apr 11, 2019 11:29 pm

Cleo's first silkworm
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, I have more . but mostly that are half that size but this one will be too big for the little bearded dragons in few days so I offered it first to Caesar who gave it thorough once over before disappearing back under the 1/2 log, he wanted his crickets.

Cleo studied it for a while and stalked it like a cat before deciding to eat it , she disappeared it pretty quick and so I offered another smaller silkworm (she looked at it decided she was too full, she also ignored some BSFL too.
A very good size meal for her so I'm pleased she tried it and ate it.
CBDs: Cleopatra & Caesar born 28Jan19.
Puff (RIP 10Dec15),Rex (RIP 16Mar17),Toothless (RIP 26Nov17).Peppa (RIP 22Mar19).
EBTSs : George & Mildred (born july 2010).
EWSs : Fluffy - 4yr rescued lawnmowing accident victim 14Nov17.
Lucky - cat attack rescue, fatal SI RIP 21Jul2010.
Wriggles - rescued injured ,thought she was a big lizard, over 8 yrs old, RIP 2Feb16. .
Gecko : Godzilla the hatchling GEHYRA GECKO (hatched May 2019)
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Re: Our new spikey scale babies Cleo & Caesar

Postby kingofnobbys » Fri Apr 12, 2019 11:23 pm

Caesar has gained 7.3g this week , now 27.6g. He has grown by 1.8x his original weight in 2 weeks.

Cleo has gained 3.7g this week , now 15.6g She has grown by 1.6x her original weight in 2 weeks.

Wife reported she saw the pair at the food dish at brekky , and they left only a few little bits of grated carrot and disappeared 6 BSFL between them.

Update : Caesar breakthrough << I waited until he was very tired and relaxed and ready to nod off tonight (about 11pm , about 2 hrs after the lights were turned off) and got him out placed him on my chest with my cupped hand over him (just his nose and tail not covered) and he was very good and never struggled and let me stroke him on the head and nodded off on me.
Think he's starting to trust me now.

Cleo was headnodding at Caesar this evening after their diner, Caesar responded by armwaving back at her.
CBDs: Cleopatra & Caesar born 28Jan19.
Puff (RIP 10Dec15),Rex (RIP 16Mar17),Toothless (RIP 26Nov17).Peppa (RIP 22Mar19).
EBTSs : George & Mildred (born july 2010).
EWSs : Fluffy - 4yr rescued lawnmowing accident victim 14Nov17.
Lucky - cat attack rescue, fatal SI RIP 21Jul2010.
Wriggles - rescued injured ,thought she was a big lizard, over 8 yrs old, RIP 2Feb16. .
Gecko : Godzilla the hatchling GEHYRA GECKO (hatched May 2019)
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Re: Our new spikey scale babies Cleo & Caesar

Postby kingofnobbys » Sun Apr 14, 2019 1:33 am

Caesar has now discovered silkworms too. Hoovered down a silkworm I meant for Cleo.
CBDs: Cleopatra & Caesar born 28Jan19.
Puff (RIP 10Dec15),Rex (RIP 16Mar17),Toothless (RIP 26Nov17).Peppa (RIP 22Mar19).
EBTSs : George & Mildred (born july 2010).
EWSs : Fluffy - 4yr rescued lawnmowing accident victim 14Nov17.
Lucky - cat attack rescue, fatal SI RIP 21Jul2010.
Wriggles - rescued injured ,thought she was a big lizard, over 8 yrs old, RIP 2Feb16. .
Gecko : Godzilla the hatchling GEHYRA GECKO (hatched May 2019)
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Re: Our new spikey scale babies Cleo & Caesar

Postby kingofnobbys » Wed Apr 17, 2019 4:35 am

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Caesar enjoying a splash in the water dish , Cleo doing usual thing (soaking up maximum UVA & UVB).

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Cleo likes my shoulder , and this afternoon climbed up top , just to show me who "the boss is".
CBDs: Cleopatra & Caesar born 28Jan19.
Puff (RIP 10Dec15),Rex (RIP 16Mar17),Toothless (RIP 26Nov17).Peppa (RIP 22Mar19).
EBTSs : George & Mildred (born july 2010).
EWSs : Fluffy - 4yr rescued lawnmowing accident victim 14Nov17.
Lucky - cat attack rescue, fatal SI RIP 21Jul2010.
Wriggles - rescued injured ,thought she was a big lizard, over 8 yrs old, RIP 2Feb16. .
Gecko : Godzilla the hatchling GEHYRA GECKO (hatched May 2019)
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Re: Our new spikey scale babies Cleo & Caesar

Postby claudiusx » Wed Apr 17, 2019 5:45 pm

They definitely seem to be warmed up to you. Tombo still would rather run from me than be held. Moro could give a crap less about me, she just wants to explore. But she will at least not freak out at me coming to get her, since she knows shes going to get to explore. Tombo... he will open up his mouth or run. He's a big baby.

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Re: Our new spikey scale babies Cleo & Caesar

Postby kingofnobbys » Wed Apr 17, 2019 11:35 pm

Caesar had his body skin explosion overnight , and he's a bit unsettled and itchy and unconfortable today , shedding on the eyelids and face and it's REALLY bugging him.

Cleo is a sweetheart. Couldn't ask for a more smoogy people friendly hatchling. She thinks she's the ants pants when she's being nursed in my upturned cupped hand and being petted and loves being handfed her crickets , bsfl and silkworms (this way I know for sure she is getting her fair share, else Caesar would just eat most everything (he's a bottomless pit when it comes to crickets & silkworms ( have to restrict him else) and his greens).
CBDs: Cleopatra & Caesar born 28Jan19.
Puff (RIP 10Dec15),Rex (RIP 16Mar17),Toothless (RIP 26Nov17).Peppa (RIP 22Mar19).
EBTSs : George & Mildred (born july 2010).
EWSs : Fluffy - 4yr rescued lawnmowing accident victim 14Nov17.
Lucky - cat attack rescue, fatal SI RIP 21Jul2010.
Wriggles - rescued injured ,thought she was a big lizard, over 8 yrs old, RIP 2Feb16. .
Gecko : Godzilla the hatchling GEHYRA GECKO (hatched May 2019)
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Re: Our new spikey scale babies Cleo & Caesar

Postby kingofnobbys » Thu Apr 18, 2019 1:29 am

Caesar settled enough this afternoon to take his silkworm while sitting on my chest , then wanted off immediately .

He's had a bad "hair" day this afternoon , been using everyone and everything as a scratcher :
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CBDs: Cleopatra & Caesar born 28Jan19.
Puff (RIP 10Dec15),Rex (RIP 16Mar17),Toothless (RIP 26Nov17).Peppa (RIP 22Mar19).
EBTSs : George & Mildred (born july 2010).
EWSs : Fluffy - 4yr rescued lawnmowing accident victim 14Nov17.
Lucky - cat attack rescue, fatal SI RIP 21Jul2010.
Wriggles - rescued injured ,thought she was a big lizard, over 8 yrs old, RIP 2Feb16. .
Gecko : Godzilla the hatchling GEHYRA GECKO (hatched May 2019)
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Re: Our new spikey scale babies Cleo & Caesar

Postby kingofnobbys » Thu Apr 18, 2019 11:35 pm

Update :

Cleo is now 19.3g ( + 3.7g this week ) ==> normalized growth = 1.93 x her original body weigh (in her first 3 weeks with us).
Caesar is now 32.4g ( + 4.8g this week , been in shed ) ==> normalized growth = 2.16 x his original body weight (in his first 3 weeks with us).

Now giving Caesar a nightly snuggle on my chest ( tucked in under the front of my t-shirt so he's completely covered and cozy and warm , he seems to like this and settles right away ). I wait for a couple of hours after their lights go out to do the Caesar bonding snuggle.
CBDs: Cleopatra & Caesar born 28Jan19.
Puff (RIP 10Dec15),Rex (RIP 16Mar17),Toothless (RIP 26Nov17).Peppa (RIP 22Mar19).
EBTSs : George & Mildred (born july 2010).
EWSs : Fluffy - 4yr rescued lawnmowing accident victim 14Nov17.
Lucky - cat attack rescue, fatal SI RIP 21Jul2010.
Wriggles - rescued injured ,thought she was a big lizard, over 8 yrs old, RIP 2Feb16. .
Gecko : Godzilla the hatchling GEHYRA GECKO (hatched May 2019)
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Re: Our new spikey scale babies Cleo & Caesar

Postby kingofnobbys » Wed Apr 24, 2019 7:50 am

Hail Caesar
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gonna need a bigger water pond soon
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and a bigger bit of driftwood too.
Growing like crazy and he's insatiable when it comes to food.

HRHighness Cleopatra
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Full as a goog and ready for a snuggle and very happy girl.
CBDs: Cleopatra & Caesar born 28Jan19.
Puff (RIP 10Dec15),Rex (RIP 16Mar17),Toothless (RIP 26Nov17).Peppa (RIP 22Mar19).
EBTSs : George & Mildred (born july 2010).
EWSs : Fluffy - 4yr rescued lawnmowing accident victim 14Nov17.
Lucky - cat attack rescue, fatal SI RIP 21Jul2010.
Wriggles - rescued injured ,thought she was a big lizard, over 8 yrs old, RIP 2Feb16. .
Gecko : Godzilla the hatchling GEHYRA GECKO (hatched May 2019)
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Re: Our new spikey scale babies Cleo & Caesar

Postby kingofnobbys » Thu Apr 25, 2019 11:54 pm

Weekly weighin :

Caesar is now 45g , gained 12.6g this week , now 3x his starting weight , very nice growth spurt despite being in shed this week.
He's such a greedy guts he's even catching errand blowflies (one came in with my wife and found it's way into the dragon rearing tub), he was very interested in it and eventually caught it in mid flight as it flew near him.

Cleo is now 25.3g , gained 6g this week , now 2.53x her starting weight , also a nice growth spurt from her this week , she loves her BSLF , now eating 16 to 20 large BSFL in a sitting given whole by hand.
She's pretty keen on the crickets too , but insists on getting these handed to her (up to 10 x 1/3 size cricket sitting).

Getting coordinated pooing , Cleo goes to the potty, and Caesar goes when he sees or smells her going.

Re-commissioned the cricket feeding rock , loaded it up with crickets and Caesar had a ball gobbling down the crickets as they came out the hole, but the plan is to put the pupating BSFL in it, and I've seen Caesar eating the newly emerged flies as they come out the hole.

Upsized the water dish , Caesar is too big for the old one now.

Upsized my next order of crickets from 25day old (1/4size) to 1/3 size. So today's bulk cricket order of 1/4 size crickets will not last long with Fluffy , Cleo and Caesar eating them. If it lasts til the end of next week we'll be in good shape.
CBDs: Cleopatra & Caesar born 28Jan19.
Puff (RIP 10Dec15),Rex (RIP 16Mar17),Toothless (RIP 26Nov17).Peppa (RIP 22Mar19).
EBTSs : George & Mildred (born july 2010).
EWSs : Fluffy - 4yr rescued lawnmowing accident victim 14Nov17.
Lucky - cat attack rescue, fatal SI RIP 21Jul2010.
Wriggles - rescued injured ,thought she was a big lizard, over 8 yrs old, RIP 2Feb16. .
Gecko : Godzilla the hatchling GEHYRA GECKO (hatched May 2019)
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Re: Our new spikey scale babies Cleo & Caesar

Postby kingofnobbys » Tue Apr 30, 2019 11:16 pm

Caesar didn't like the big water dish , never saw him in this week, so gave him back the old one and he was in it right away for a splash and bath.
CBDs: Cleopatra & Caesar born 28Jan19.
Puff (RIP 10Dec15),Rex (RIP 16Mar17),Toothless (RIP 26Nov17).Peppa (RIP 22Mar19).
EBTSs : George & Mildred (born july 2010).
EWSs : Fluffy - 4yr rescued lawnmowing accident victim 14Nov17.
Lucky - cat attack rescue, fatal SI RIP 21Jul2010.
Wriggles - rescued injured ,thought she was a big lizard, over 8 yrs old, RIP 2Feb16. .
Gecko : Godzilla the hatchling GEHYRA GECKO (hatched May 2019)
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Re: Our new spikey scale babies Cleo & Caesar

Postby kingofnobbys » Thu May 02, 2019 9:47 pm

Both now grown by at least 300%.

Cleopatra today 29.5g (+4.2g) ==> 2.95x
Her favorate food is definitely bsfl , given to her by finger. She'll eat up to 20 in a sitting. She also loves crickets , and will eat up to 10 x 1/4 size crickets in a sitting so long as I give them to her by hand.
Still not fussed with the salad.

Caesar today 55g (+10g) ==> 3.67x , he's insatiable , as soon as I place a silkworm anywhere he can see it , it's gone , he loves his crickets too (now eating 16 x 1/4 size crickets per meal in no time flat (by hand or when dropped near him a few at a time (they stand no chance of getting past him - he's a very good eater and loves his bugs, even developed a taste for bsfl now too ( I mix some their salad and I've seen him eat some from the salad dish ) had a few blowflies come in with my wife when she brought the weekly groceries in through the open front door which he was trying to eat through the plastic side of the rearing tank, so I caught them and placed them in with him and Cleo (she was interested but couldn't be bothered catching them when the buzzed by her), flying past Caesar was like a Kamakazi run , he was leaping and catching them in mid flight (very funny to watch LOL).
He loves his salad and is into it immediately when I put the fresh salad in the dish , when I get up in the morning , the salad is all gone less a few small bits of grated carrot.
Caesar's fine with being I petted by me now. But not so sure about me picking him up but was a good boy for today when I picked him up to do his weekly weighin.

I am pretty sure Cleo is 2 or 3 weeks younger than Caesar. Probably different clutches but been reared together and Cleo is quite the bossy little girl , if Caesar is where she wants to be , she either climbs intop of him or bulldozes him off the spot (despite the fact that he's 2x heavier than her - lol).



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Raw growth chart.
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Normalized growth chart.
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CBDs: Cleopatra & Caesar born 28Jan19.
Puff (RIP 10Dec15),Rex (RIP 16Mar17),Toothless (RIP 26Nov17).Peppa (RIP 22Mar19).
EBTSs : George & Mildred (born july 2010).
EWSs : Fluffy - 4yr rescued lawnmowing accident victim 14Nov17.
Lucky - cat attack rescue, fatal SI RIP 21Jul2010.
Wriggles - rescued injured ,thought she was a big lizard, over 8 yrs old, RIP 2Feb16. .
Gecko : Godzilla the hatchling GEHYRA GECKO (hatched May 2019)
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Re: Our new spikey scale babies Cleo & Caesar

Postby CooperDragon » Fri May 03, 2019 4:48 am

I'm glad to see they're both doing so well! It is fun to watch them attack an airborne bug. They're sooooo quick when they want to be!
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