Baby Beardie Only Eats Critical Care

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Baby Beardie Only Eats Critical Care

Postby Keko » Sat Sep 22, 2018 6:32 pm

Hello I’m new to this forum and a new beardie owner. My little guy is about 2 months old, I’ve had him for 3 weeks and it has been a struggle from the start. He refuses to eat. He now gets critical care every day which he likes but refuses to eat anything else. This was started with his hunger strike of 5 days. I’ve tried feeding him small crickets, big crickets, worms of all sorts. Changed containers I was feeding him in. Force fed him some(vet suggestion) hoping he would decide he liked them this was after going on a hunger strike for 5 days straight. Tried hand feeding. Leaving worms in his terrarium. Squishing worms and putting on his nose. Nothing.
Here is how I’ve been caring for him:
55 gallon terrarium, Front opening,Top is a screen
Daytime lights: Repti basking light and Meg Ray Mercury Vapour 160 watt
Nighttime light: red heat light but I think I will switch to ceramic
Basking Temp ranges from 95-110 he has lots of places he can go
Warm ambient temp ranges 85 up to 100
Cool Ambient Temp ranges from 77-85 again lots of places he can go
Veggie Diet: fresh greens of all sorts available all day never eats them
Protein: crickets, Phoenix worms, wax worms, butter worms, horn worms
Calcium when I can get it in him, he has no signs of low calcium.

Oh he was also tested and treated for parasites
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Re: Baby Beardie Only Eats Critical Care

Postby Drache613 » Sat Sep 22, 2018 7:46 pm

Hello,

Sorry you are having trouble with your baby.
Which medication was he on & is he finished with medications?
Your setup sounds fine, but can we see pictures of the light placements?
Which type of thermometer are you using, a digital probe or a temp gun?
Sometimes after medications, it takes them awhile to regain their appetites.
Be sure to only offer crickets that are smaller than the space between his eyes, to avoid
impaction. The critical care is fine to feed for now, but definitely do your best to get him
onto solid food. Have you tried giving bee pollen or probiotics to help boost his appetite?

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Re: Baby Beardie Only Eats Critical Care

Postby kingofnobbys » Sun Sep 23, 2018 12:03 am

Keko wrote:Hello I’m new to this forum and a new beardie owner. My little guy is about 2 months old, I’ve had him for 3 weeks and it has been a struggle from the start. He refuses to eat. He now gets critical care every day which he likes but refuses to eat anything else. This was started with his hunger strike of 5 days. I’ve tried feeding him small crickets, big crickets, worms of all sorts. Changed containers I was feeding him in. Force fed him some(vet suggestion) hoping he would decide he liked them this was after going on a hunger strike for 5 days straight. Tried hand feeding. Leaving worms in his terrarium. Squishing worms and putting on his nose. Nothing.
Here is how I’ve been caring for him:
55 gallon terrarium, Front opening,Top is a screen
Daytime lights: Repti basking light and Meg Ray Mercury Vapour 160 watt
Nighttime light: red heat light but I think I will switch to ceramic
Basking Temp ranges from 95-110 he has lots of places he can go
Warm ambient temp ranges 85 up to 100
Cool Ambient Temp ranges from 77-85 again lots of places he can go
Veggie Diet: fresh greens of all sorts available all day never eats them <<<< offer but don't be too worried if your 2 month old hatchling/juvenile shows no interest in the greens. Better off giving these to the crickets to gutload them.

Protein: crickets, Phoenix worms, wax worms, butter worms, horn worms
<<<< reserve the wax and butter worms for treats only . I'd swap over from hornworms to silkworms which are more nutritious by a long shot.
<<<< offer at least 2 meals per day of live insects …. it may be necessary in your situation to handfeed the little dragon for now. This way you will know it's getting the calcium and protein and fats (needed to mobilise the vitamins & minerals) it needs.

Calcium when I can get it in him, he has no signs of low calcium.
<<< consider buying a bottle of VetaFarm CalciVet and giving this daily orally by feeding syringe.

Oh he was also tested and treated for parasites
CBDs: Puff (M)(RIP 10Dec2015 @ 3.2 yrs old (aneurism)),Rex (F)(RIP 16Mar2017 @ 4.6 yrs old,Toothless (M)(sudden unexplained death RIP 26Nov2017) @ 2.1 yrs old.Peppa (F) (born 15Nov2015).
EBTSs : George & Mildred (born july 2010).
EWSs : Lucky (M)(wild juvenile), cat attack rescue, fatal SI RIP 21Jul2010.Wriggles (F)(rescued injured),thought she was a big lizard, 7-8 yrs old, died in her sleep, RIP 2Feb2016). Fluffy (F) rescued 14Nov2017 about 4 yrs old . .
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Re: Baby Beardie Only Eats Critical Care

Postby Keko » Sun Sep 23, 2018 7:47 am

Sorry I’ve never been on a forum before. How do I post a picture. Trying to figure it out but thought asking might be quicker
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Re: Baby Beardie Only Eats Critical Care

Postby Keko » Sun Sep 23, 2018 8:05 am

Baycox was the medication finished on Sept 19.
Digital thermometer probe
Yes I’m making sure the crickets are small enough
I have not tried bee pollen or probiotics. How do I do that? He only weighs about 18grams.

Also I know most worms are just treats but I was trying to see if I could coax him to eat anything at all. I’ve tried feeding with tweezers, out of my palm, off my fingers, off rocks, dishes, out of his terrarium, in his terrarium etc. I don’t feed crickets in his terrarium though.

Greens I know they aren’t a big deal now. Just leaving them in there so he eat them if he wants.

Calcium I can’t dust anything because he’s not eating anything unless i force feed him.

Any ideas that i haven’t tried to get him on solid food??
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Re: Baby Beardie Only Eats Critical Care

Postby Keko » Sun Sep 23, 2018 8:22 am

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Re: Baby Beardie Only Eats Critical Care

Postby kingofnobbys » Sun Sep 23, 2018 8:24 am

Keko wrote:Baycox was the medication finished on Sept 19.
Digital thermometer probe
Yes I’m making sure the crickets are small enough
I have not tried bee pollen or probiotics. How do I do that? He only weighs about 18grams.

Also I know most worms are just treats but I was trying to see if I could coax him to eat anything at all. I’ve tried feeding with tweezers, out of my palm, off my fingers, off rocks, dishes, out of his terrarium, in his terrarium etc. I don’t feed crickets in his terrarium though.

Greens I know they aren’t a big deal now. Just leaving them in there so he eat them if he wants.

Calcium I can’t dust anything because he’s not eating anything unless i force feed him.

<<<< enough vitamin and or calcium powder stays on the insects to be beneficial even when handfeeding/force feeding, You don't need the insects to be caked in powder, just enough so if they are dropped on the table the leave a dust print.


Any ideas that i haven’t tried to get him on solid food??

A small droplet on honey on the end of the insect will get a good feeding response., I've done this with very sick rescues to get them to take HerpaBoost or CrittaCare Reptile from a syringe.

Getting a guaranteed dose of calcium into a poor feeder, you can use VetaFarm CalciVet liquid calcium hand give a small dose each day orally by syringe : this kind of kit will make this easier to do :
Best to stay with 22G for fluids, is more durable than the larger bore version where the lizard has teeth.

Edit : be careful the dragon doesn't chew pieces of plastic of the end of the plastic tube. I found the 14G tube very soft and too easily crushed and holed.

I've had success using this
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to get nasty tasting antbiotics and nice tasting CalciVet into skinks , the trick is to get the plastic tube past the lips and teeth at the back corner of the mouth , not necessary force the mouth open but is a two person job
one person restrains the lizard
the other person slips the catheter tube into mouth and pushes the syringe plunger.

I've also used this kind of setup
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to get HerpaBoost , VetaFarm Reptile Critta Care and viscous liquid meds into the mouths of lizards, got to get the mouth enough to get the nozzle into the mouth , again a two person job unless the lizard is prepared to lick the paste off it's nose and lips , works well

and for really difficult situations this works and is indestructible and wont hurt the lizard's teeth, gums , jaws or mouth
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CBDs: Puff (M)(RIP 10Dec2015 @ 3.2 yrs old (aneurism)),Rex (F)(RIP 16Mar2017 @ 4.6 yrs old,Toothless (M)(sudden unexplained death RIP 26Nov2017) @ 2.1 yrs old.Peppa (F) (born 15Nov2015).
EBTSs : George & Mildred (born july 2010).
EWSs : Lucky (M)(wild juvenile), cat attack rescue, fatal SI RIP 21Jul2010.Wriggles (F)(rescued injured),thought she was a big lizard, 7-8 yrs old, died in her sleep, RIP 2Feb2016). Fluffy (F) rescued 14Nov2017 about 4 yrs old . .
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Re: Baby Beardie Only Eats Critical Care

Postby Keko » Sun Sep 23, 2018 10:06 am

Thank you I will try the honey. Yes I already have a syringe from the vet for feeding the critical care so we are good there. He usually just licks it off the end of the syringe.

Is it possible to dissolve Repashi calcium Plus in liquid and give it with the syringe. Obviously in miniscual amounts.
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