Is moonsand safe?

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Is moonsand safe?

Postby Echoplexic » Thu Sep 20, 2018 7:48 pm

The Moonsand I have us from a commercial buisness but im assuming its made of the same thing as the homemade flour and vegetable oil version. If this is the case is it okay for my reptile or might it cause impaction or respiratory issues of something else altogether.?
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Re: Is moonsand safe?

Postby kingofnobbys » Thu Sep 20, 2018 9:46 pm

Maybe for human children to play in , but not appropriate for a bearded dragon to live on.

For all the usual reasons related to particulate / absorbant substrates.
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Re: Is moonsand safe?

Postby Echoplexic » Fri Sep 21, 2018 6:45 pm

Its not an absorbent substrate since it is flour fully saturated in oil and oil doesnt mix with water so i feel like it would pass right through him. I'm going to do some scientific reasearch on not only beardie digestion but moonsands reaction to water heat and being ingested. :study:
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Re: Is moonsand safe?

Postby Echoplexic » Fri Sep 21, 2018 8:37 pm

Ok upon inspection of my so called moonsand I realized it is not true copyrighted moon sand it is actually copyrighted as sands alive and is apparently safe for children to ingest it is also water soluble does this mean it's safer for ingestion ?very curious more research now :study:
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Re: Is moonsand safe?

Postby kingofnobbys » Sat Sep 22, 2018 1:01 am

Echoplexic wrote:Ok upon inspection of my so called moonsand I realized it is not true copyrighted moon sand it is actually copyrighted as sands alive and is apparently safe for children to ingest it is also water soluble does this mean it's safer for ingestion ?very curious more research now :study:



No not safe for dragon to ingest.
CBDs: Puff (M)(RIP 10Dec2015 @ 3.2 yrs old (aneurism)),Rex (F)(RIP 16Mar2017 @ 4.6 yrs old,Toothless (M)(sudden unexplained death RIP 26Nov2017) @ 2.1 yrs old.Peppa (F) (born 15Nov2015).
EBTSs : George & Mildred (born july 2010).
EWSs : Lucky (M)(wild juvenile), cat attack rescue, fatal SI RIP 21Jul2010.Wriggles (F)(rescued injured),thought she was a big lizard, 7-8 yrs old, died in her sleep, RIP 2Feb2016). Fluffy (F) rescued 14Nov2017 about 4 yrs old . .
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Re: Is moonsand safe?

Postby AHBD » Sat Sep 22, 2018 4:47 am

Moon sand is sand, just altered by the way they manufacture it. Home made moon sand can be made with flour or flour + cornstarch and then you add oil. Some people use baby oil, but I wouldn't consider that safe to ingest. If they use veg. oil it will spoil at some point because then it's kind of like cookie dough without the egg + extra moisture.
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Re: Is moonsand safe?

Postby Echoplexic » Sat Sep 22, 2018 10:29 am

Well I've had this sand alive stuff just sitting on a dish for the last 3 years and its exactly the same as when i first opened it . When i drop it into water it dissolves and it has no odor and has apparently been the only lab tested sand on the market to not harbor any bacteria.
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Re: Is moonsand safe?

Postby AHBD » Sat Sep 22, 2018 10:38 am

I'm not for it or against it, just wanted you to know that it's not flour but a home made version can be made with flour. Your original post mentions that you thought the sands alive product was the same as the flour mixture but it isn't.

As for using it, it may be somewhat dusty over time in a dry tank and a beardie might breathe it in but no one has any reports on trying it as a substrate for beardies.
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Re: Is moonsand safe?

Postby Echoplexic » Sat Sep 22, 2018 10:44 am

Its in a dry area as is and it doesn't seem dusty but you do bring up a good point I'll see if I can like inhale pieces of it .
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Re: Is moonsand safe?

Postby Calgrim » Sat Sep 22, 2018 3:44 pm

Why even take the risk?
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Re: Is moonsand safe?

Postby Echoplexic » Sat Sep 22, 2018 6:41 pm

This thread IS me not taking the risk .I'm not just going to throw it in with my beardie all willy nilly. I'm diving so far into research and testing and contacting product help lines or consumer report centers and beardie vets and medical specialists and more to compile enough proof that it could be a usable substrate. As I've done with all substrates for all my reptiles. It would be the same research that the first person who ever thought of using paper towels would have done making sure they aren't bleached or colored and wouldn't cause issues.
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