A lot of blood in stool!

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A lot of blood in stool!

Postby RelentlessChaos » Thu May 18, 2017 2:20 pm

MEDICAL HISTORY OF DAISY:

So my Daisy has always had a back leg problem, she dislocated them somehow when she was younger (at the hip area). I went to the vet years ago when this happed and they sent me home and said that they will heal on their own. I don't think they ever did heal properly because she does not have normal walking capabilities compared to other dragons. She will mostly drag herself around on not stand up with her back legs.

Daisy is around 5 years old.

What happened today:

In the past week, she has not been eating anything. I thought it was odd. Although, she was not acting lethargic, she was still basking with her head up and eyes open. Today, I checked on her only to see this... (I took a picture).

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http://i.imgur.com/2uc9U1R.jpg

I put her into a warm bath immediately.

I'm not sure if she is impacted since she hasn't been eating much of anything at all and I am not sure if this issue is related to her past medical history because ever since the leg injury, she has hard trouble pooping. She doesn't have any bumps in her belly so I don't think there are any infertile eggs inside of her.

Here is an example of her not wanting to eat:
https://youtu.be/OINHOc2XeGY?t=24s

Her basking temp is in the 100-110F range, cool side around 80F.
She has her reptisun 10.0 UVB and a PVC enclosure for those that will ask. Oh, and non adhesive shelf liner for substrate.

Update 1) After soaking in the bath, she pooped out another lump of blood? The wierd part is that she is still behaving normally, she is enjoying her bath right now swimming around and trying to drink the water.

GRAPHIC IMAGE:
http://i.imgur.com/AmjpNan.jpg

THERE ARE NO EXOTIC VETS NEAR MY LOCATION. Of course, my first thought was to rush to a vet. I've called multiple vets so far and the ones that do have an exotic vet are at least 1+ hour away from my location and they are not available because they are doing surgery on another animal.

The only thing that I have not checked for yet since I have not gone to a vet is parasites.

Update 2) More blood in the bath about 10 minutes after the last update.

GRAPHIC IMAGE:
http://i.imgur.com/b3pd0vM.jpg
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Re: A lot of blood in stool!

Postby CooperDragon » Thu May 18, 2017 2:49 pm

That is a bit concerning. It's a good sign she isn't acting lethargic though. Perhaps she just as an upset stomach or strained a bit and caused a small tear somewhere along the line which is causing some bleeding. If that's the case, then it should heal up on it's own. If it continues though I would try to get some advanced diagnostics done if possible. It's hard for me to say what it might be without more information.
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Re: A lot of blood in stool!

Postby RelentlessChaos » Thu May 18, 2017 4:45 pm

I let her bask for a bit then started up another warm bath.

She continues to poop blood, but she also pooped out a somewhat normal poop. I did not see any objects within the poop. The oddest things is that her behavior is normal. Again, head up, open bright eyes, etc.

I fear I am on my own with her, I've called multiple vets and none of them have been helpful or none of them are free for me to visit.
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Re: A lot of blood in stool!

Postby CooperDragon » Thu May 18, 2017 6:11 pm

I would be a lot more worried if she was showing a black beard or acting lethargic. Perhaps offer her some extra water and see if it helps flush her system out a bit. I hope it's just an upset stomach and passes on it's own. That happens from time to time with humans due to inflammation for one reason or another.
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Re: A lot of blood in stool!

Postby RelentlessChaos » Thu May 18, 2017 7:02 pm

CooperDragon wrote:I would be a lot more worried if she was showing a black beard or acting lethargic. Perhaps offer her some extra water and see if it helps flush her system out a bit. I hope it's just an upset stomach and passes on it's own. That happens from time to time with humans due to inflammation for one reason or another.


Yeah, I've been doing extra baths and water ever since the blood started.

I just got back from town and I bought some baby food (sweet potatoes and butternut squash). Do you think it's a good idea to offer her some? Since she is not willing to eat any live (soft bodied) food.
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Re: A lot of blood in stool!

Postby CooperDragon » Thu May 18, 2017 7:18 pm

If her weight is stable I'd stick with water for now and try to limit force feeding. If her weight is decreasing you might want to try the baby food. I wouldn't force it at the moment though. Just let her lick some up from her nose if she wants it.
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Re: A lot of blood in stool!

Postby traildrifterphalanx » Fri May 19, 2017 9:42 am

I hate to be this person but I just wanted to share.

My girl Simon would not eat for about 2 months, was always bright and happy, basking, gaping, alert, aware, very alive. Her issue was in addition to not eating she was passing small yellow urates throughout the day. I posted several times on this board for insight and basically, Simon acting like she was fine was a huge lie and threw a lot of people off. I sought help from a vet and veteran keepers on the forum during this time, no one really knew what was wrong, but she was alert and maintaining her weight so was deemed otherwise healthy.

She took a complete turn for the worse on 5/3. I saw her on my lunch break that day and she was fine, got home from work and she was black bearding, limp, and very unresponsive to stimuli. It's worth noting she began passing blood instead of urates that night... I did not share this information with the forum, I knew she was dying. She passed away the next morning in my arms before her vet visit. After an autopsy, it was found she had cancer in her kidneys.

I don't mean this at all to say this what you're going through and how yours will end, more so a precautionary tale that dragons are very good at pretending nothing is wrong until they can't any longer. I knew Simon was having discomfort with using the restroom, but I was working with a vet to figure out why. Her passing was very sudden. My family was just over on 5/2 and talking about cute she was, etc. It was the day right after her body just failed.

I hope the situation with your girl is not like my story. I hope this is a minor thing that just kind of heals up and goes away, but I thought it was important to tell you what I had experienced as there are some similarities.
I wish you the best of luck, and please keep us posted
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Re: A lot of blood in stool!

Postby AHBD » Fri May 19, 2017 10:30 am

I truly hope it's not going to be something that serious. I thought I'd add an experience that was on here a year or two ago about an old but very healthy appearing dragon . It passed a lot of blood and did not seem affected. I believe the owner had it checked out + nothing could be found. Of course there is definitely something happening to cause it, but the beardie never became ill. It was never clear if maybe it had a polyp rupture inside or something but it remained in good health. I think Tracie would remember that one. I tried to search for it here but there are about 600-700 blood threads.

So although there's a chance that it's very serious and it's good to be aware , it might turn out to be nothing too harmful....hoping it turns out that way !
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Re: A lot of blood in stool!

Postby RelentlessChaos » Fri May 19, 2017 10:48 am

Today, she pooped out a tiny bit of blood while in her enclosure and while in a bath.

Not as bad as the images yesterday and she has only pooped once today so far. Yesterday, she was constantly pooping out the blood.

I fed her some baby food today because she was already going about a week off of her live food and she does seem lighter.

Again, her behavior is still normal Daisy behavior. She is basking, head up and alert.

Not lethargic and no black beard.

So I'm hoping she just injured herself as Cooper said (because she has always had trouble pooping since the leg or hip injuries). I'm going to continue to try and call this one vet I found to see if/when they would have an exotic reptile vet available.

Until then, it's just me and Daisy on our own. I live in the middle of no where which is why it's so difficult to find a reptile vet.

Update:

So far, she has not pooped a lot of blood as she did yesterday (only a tiny bit). I gave her a 20 minute soak in a warm bath today and so far nothing as bad as yesterday.
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Re: A lot of blood in stool!

Postby RelentlessChaos » Sat May 20, 2017 12:18 pm

Daisy is no longer pooping blood.

And is still acting her normal self.
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Re: A lot of blood in stool!

Postby CooperDragon » Sat May 20, 2017 12:25 pm

That's a relief. Hopefully it's done now and just caused by some inflammation or irritation.
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Re: A lot of blood in stool!

Postby JessPets » Sat May 20, 2017 3:39 pm

That's good to hear!
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