when is too young to separate siblings M & F ?

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Re: when is too young to separate siblings M & F ?

Postby SHBailey » Tue Apr 18, 2017 9:09 am

You're quite a statistician! But I'd hate to see what a graph of our beardie's pooping frequency would look like. He's all over the map, maybe even worse than Peppa.

I guess they're not too different from humans -- each has their own unique metabolism. My husband complains that food "goes right through him" but I tell him that he's lucky because everything I eat turns to fat. Then he says that if that were true, I'd never have to go to the bathroom. Ok -- if you want to get really technical about it, half of it turns to fat and the other half turns to fertilizer, but the bottom line is very little of it turns to energy. :( My husband, on the other hand, is one of those high energy people who can't sit still, but I have no problem being a couch potato. Human versions of Peppa and Toothless maybe, huh? :roll:
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Re: when is too young to separate siblings M & F ?

Postby kingofnobbys » Wed Apr 19, 2017 10:24 pm

Been 13 days since Peppa pooed, Toothless has gone to loo 3x since (every 4th day since Peppa's last) , been cutting back on the solids (crickets and superworms) and giving her 0.3ml of olive oil and 1/2 ml of water orally by syringe every second day for the last week.

Today Toothless pooed again . So ....I decided to draw a line and broke out the big guns, asked my wife to bring home a small bottle of prune juice .... no luck there as she couldn't see prune juice anywhere in the supermarket.
So I got out the old plastic flat bottomed baby bath and put enough luke warm water (34degC) in it to come up to her body fringe and gave Peppa her very first bath since we adopted her.

She seemed to enjoy it's warmth , pancaking, and having warm water splashed over her back, and was soon wading about and scratching her back and sides with her legs, and splashing about (while I was lifting the end nearest her head to ensure she didn't breath in any water , a bit of a tummy rub and a 10min bath and out came the plug of urates followed by quite a lot of smelly browny green poo ....

Hurrah!!! we have a Peppa poo.

She's been very much more active on the floor after she was given a daddy snuggle wrapped in a towel to dry and warm up and I bet she feels a lot better to have gotten rid of her motherload.
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CBDs: Puff ( RIP 10Dec2015 (3.2 years old (aneurism)) ,Rex (RIP 16Mar2017 at 4.6 yrs old (unexplained death)) , both adopted at 6wks old..Toothless & Peppa : (5 wks old 19dec2015).
Eastern BT Skinks : George & Mildred (born Sept 2010).
Eastern Water Skinks : Lucky (wild juvenile), rescued from a cat.Taken by a SI and far too soon, 9mths with us. RIP 21Jul2010.Wriggles - (rescued injured), small lizard thought she was a big lizard, 7-8 yrs old, died in her sleep, RIP 2Feb2016.)
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Re: when is too young to separate siblings M & F ?

Postby CooperDragon » Thu Apr 20, 2017 12:07 am

I'm sure she feels much better now! Sounds like you have a bath lover too =). Darwin also likes his baths although I limit them to when he is stinky and needs a cleaning.
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Re: when is too young to separate siblings M & F ?

Postby SHBailey » Thu Apr 20, 2017 9:20 am

Now you know that whenever Peppa gets constipated, you don't have to worry about whether or not you can get prune juice at the store -- a warm bath and a belly rub might do the trick, and she enjoys it too. :D

When I asked our reptile vet how long our beardie should go without a poop before we get concerned, she said around two weeks, especially if we don't at least see some urate, but Puff almost never does urate without a poop to go with it -- it seems to be a "package deal".

They did an enema once, even though I hated the idea, and I'm sure no one else involved enjoyed it either. The vet brought the results out on a paper towel to show me and it looked like a normal poop to me, so I asked her if she had any idea what had been plugging up the pipes, and she said the only thing they found was that he was a little dehydrated, so they gave him some subcutaneous fluids. Luckily the vet knew what she was doing and the beardie was ok, because I understand enemas can be dangerous, and just like Peppa, when I brought him home and put him back in his tank, he was bouncing off the walls, even went over to the corner where his veggies were supposed to be (it was early in the morning and I hadn't made his daily salad yet), and stood there and gave me "The Look", but then after I got all excited and made him a salad, thinking maybe he actually wanted to eat some, he took a disinterested look at it and then ran back up to his basking platform like, "Oh, I wasn't going to eat it. I just needed to let you know you hadn't done your job." :roll:

The vet's office called me a little later to ask how he was doing, and I wanted to tease them a little: "Are you sure no one spilled their coffee in those subcutaneous fluids?" But I have to suppose that even though it must have been traumatic for the beardie, he must have felt better to be rid of the load after it was all over.

We have made a few tentative appointments for similar reasons since then, but have been able to cancel them -- "Never mind. We got a poop." I think his record is somewhere around 3 weeks. Just one more way to worry the human slaves. :wink:
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Re: when is too young to separate siblings M & F ?

Postby kingofnobbys » Thu Apr 20, 2017 9:19 pm

SHBailey wrote:Now you know that whenever Peppa gets constipated, you don't have to worry about whether or not you can get prune juice at the store -- a warm bath and a belly rub might do the trick, and she enjoys it too. :D

When I asked our reptile vet how long our beardie should go without a poop before we get concerned, she said around two weeks, especially if we don't at least see some urate, but Puff almost never does urate without a poop to go with it -- it seems to be a "package deal".

They did an enema once, even though I hated the idea, and I'm sure no one else involved enjoyed it either. The vet brought the results out on a paper towel to show me and it looked like a normal poop to me, so I asked her if she had any idea what had been plugging up the pipes, and she said the only thing they found was that he was a little dehydrated, so they gave him some subcutaneous fluids. Luckily the vet knew what she was doing and the beardie was ok, because I understand enemas can be dangerous, ....
sure can , I have a friend who took her girl to the vet (the same one who is about 5 minutes drive from here) and he pressed the food out of her tummy, and gave her an enema , and then pumped her stomach full of water , RESULT her beardie who was alive active and alert but BBing that morning , was sent home in a very bad way, limp and very dark (cold) and soon developed breathing issues and was dead within 2 hours of the procedure.... I'll never trust a vet to do that to any of my pet lizards (esp that vet .... say's he's an expert and worked in zoos but he's obviously incompetent).

I drew a line at 13 days as that's the longest any of my beardies has ever gone without pooing, and Peppa's record too (see her stats above) and I wasn't prepared to let her go longer.... and yes I did consider asking another vet to look at her and perhaps take some xrays.
CBDs: Puff ( RIP 10Dec2015 (3.2 years old (aneurism)) ,Rex (RIP 16Mar2017 at 4.6 yrs old (unexplained death)) , both adopted at 6wks old..Toothless & Peppa : (5 wks old 19dec2015).
Eastern BT Skinks : George & Mildred (born Sept 2010).
Eastern Water Skinks : Lucky (wild juvenile), rescued from a cat.Taken by a SI and far too soon, 9mths with us. RIP 21Jul2010.Wriggles - (rescued injured), small lizard thought she was a big lizard, 7-8 yrs old, died in her sleep, RIP 2Feb2016.)
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Re: when is too young to separate siblings M & F ?

Postby SHBailey » Fri Apr 21, 2017 10:04 am

Now that I know how dangerous it can be, I probably won't let them do that again either. I guess we got lucky just that once -- our beardie didn't seem any worse for the experience. But except perhaps under the most dire circumstances, I'd always want to go for kinder gentler measures if at all possible, as well as X-rays to see if they can see any obstructions.
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