Rygel - 20wks old and hard uratus

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Re: Rygel - 20wks old and hard uratus

Postby BrightStar » Mon Jan 09, 2017 11:40 pm

Thank you, you've all been very helpful and reassuring.

Is Rygel old enough for me to try to encourage him to eat more greens? He's about 21 weeks now. When I first got him, his breeder told me not to let him fill up on greens. Can I worry less about this now he's older? If I offer him more veg, should I reduce his protein?
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Re: Rygel - 20wks old and hard uratus

Postby Rankins » Mon Jan 09, 2017 11:47 pm

Others may disagree, but I always offer greenls as the first meal irregardless of age. Young dragons usually refuse them anyway. It's unlikely your dragon would eat so much of them that he would refuse bugs.
But like I said, we all develop our own husbandry practices...one thing that works for me may not work for someone else. Reptile husbandry sometimes requires a bit of experimentation to see what works for you.
I do know some owners have said exactly what your breeder said. So I'm good with either way. Still try to keep ratios to 80% bugs, 20% greens for young dragons though..
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Re: Rygel - 20wks old and hard uratus

Postby MsCarter » Tue Jan 10, 2017 9:42 am

I 100% agree with Rankins^
I found if you begin offering them asap it can increase the likelihood of them eating them in healthy amount as adults. Plus greens are full of good beneficial nutrients I think every growing dragon can benefit from. This will also help add more moisture to your beardies diet as well. I would put a small bowl full of greens in his Viv first thing in the morning he may or may not touch them at first but it will help him become more familiar with them. And throughout the day offer insects just as you always have.
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Re: Rygel - 20wks old and hard uratus

Postby BrightStar » Tue Jan 10, 2017 10:57 am

Since I got him, I've always offered Rygel his salad before the feeders. I usually feed him the salad, then get his feeders out, which takes about five minutes, and then offer him the feeders. When he reached about 18wks, I started offering salad in the bowl with his feeders - hoping they'd encourage him to try his veggies, even if just by accident. I still keep a bowl separate that's just salad and feed him that a few minutes before the live feeders.

I'm keen he has a varied diet, so I try to buy him something new to try each week, and I rotate his staple veg between mustard greens, collards and escarole. Should I be waiting longer between feeding his salad, and offering his first feeders of the day?

I've seen him checking out his salad bowl if he's hungry and waiting for his feeders. I don't think he's eating much greens, but occasionally I find bits of green scattered on the cage floor, so I'm hoping that means he does try them occasionally. I usually spray his salad with water to help with his hydration.
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Re: Rygel - 20wks old and hard uratus

Postby MsCarter » Tue Jan 10, 2017 10:42 pm

It sounds like your doing everything just right. Every dragon is different the key is figuring out which routine works best for your baby. My female gets salads in the am but she's extremely stubborn and usually doesn't eat any until the late afternoon. I know if I slip and give her insects before then there will be a 0% chance of her eating any greens that day. Sounds like your routine is working well for your guy. After his salad he will let you know if he's full at the moment and not ready for insects just yet. In that case try again later, but it sounds like he's perfectly happy with that :)
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Re: Rygel - 20wks old and hard uratus

Postby BrightStar » Tue Jan 10, 2017 11:21 pm

Thanks for the reassurance. I try not to panic every time Rygel does something a little "different", but he's become so very special to me and I want to make sure he's as happy and healthy as can be. He had silkworms today, now they've finally gotten big enough to feed. His poops have been fairly normal now since I got in my order of hornworms and added those to his daily menu. I don't think he's a big fan of greens yet, but I do feel encouraged that he checks them out occasionally.
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Re: Rygel - 20wks old and hard uratus

Postby MsCarter » Wed Jan 11, 2017 11:39 am

BrightStar wrote:Thanks for the reassurance. I try not to panic every time Rygel does something a little "different", but he's become so very special to me and I want to make sure he's as happy and healthy as can be. He had silkworms today, now they've finally gotten big enough to feed. His poops have been fairly normal now since I got in my order of hornworms and added those to his daily menu. I don't think he's a big fan of greens yet, but I do feel encouraged that he checks them out occasionally.


They love to worry us humans from time to time lol. From the sounds of things Rygel is a very loved dragon and I think he's in really good hands with you. Just like with us humans not everything will be 100% perfect all the time and that's okay. In time he will teach you so much and you'll know exactly what it is he needs when/if he runs into minor complications.

Silkworms are one of the best feeders on the market for growing dragons so it's great that your able to provide them for him. He will eventually come around to his greens in time. Until then you can always gut load his insects with the greens. Since I have a picky eater I gut load everything I possibly can.
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Re: Rygel - 20wks old and hard uratus

Postby BrightStar » Wed Jan 11, 2017 12:32 pm

MsCarter wrote:Silkworms are one of the best feeders on the market for growing dragons so it's great that your able to provide them for him. He will eventually come around to his greens in time. Until then you can always gut load his insects with the greens. Since I have a picky eater I gut load everything I possibly can.


I gut load the roaches - I just got in a bunch of orange head roaches, and I'm letting them fill up on healthy veg for a few days until I offer them to Rygel. It was my understanding that Phoenix worms, hornworms and silkworms only eat a certain food? I only feed them the diet sold for them - except PWs, which I read not to feed. Is that correct?
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Re: Rygel - 20wks old and hard uratus

Postby Skipper7 » Wed Jan 11, 2017 1:27 pm

BrightStar- I would reccomend attempting breed the orange heads. Rankins (a member on here) could tell you everything you need to know about doing that. They tend to be expensive so if you get a large enough quality going you can save a lot of money and even sell them to make some extra dough.
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Re: Rygel - 20wks old and hard uratus

Postby Rankins » Wed Jan 11, 2017 1:38 pm

Awsome!! You probably noticed the orange heads are more plump that the Dubia's. You made a good choice. I think you will like them
(Edit...they also are prettier :) )
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Re: Rygel - 20wks old and hard uratus

Postby Skipper7 » Wed Jan 11, 2017 1:40 pm

See? We send orange head and he showed up.
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Re: Rygel - 20wks old and hard uratus

Postby Rankins » Wed Jan 11, 2017 1:49 pm

Haha....you guys know me well :)
I also am going to order death heads. http://www.roachcrossing.com is up and running again
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Re: Rygel - 20wks old and hard uratus

Postby BrightStar » Wed Jan 11, 2017 2:11 pm

I am actually looking into breeding the orange heads. I brought 50 adults and set them up in a separate bin from the smaller ones. Any tips on breeding would be great. I also have a breeding colony of dubia just started a few weeks back.
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Re: Rygel - 20wks old and hard uratus

Postby Rankins » Wed Jan 11, 2017 2:15 pm

Sure thing :)
Let's move this over to the "Dubia Roaches" thread.
(Edit: BrightStar I just provided more info on orange heads on the "Dubia Roaches" thread, hope you find it over there :) )
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