Beardie with Intention Tremors. CBD seems to work??

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Re: Beardie with Intention Tremors. CBD seems to work??

Postby Drache613 » Sun Jan 17, 2021 1:14 am

Hello Tina,

Bless him, I hate to see him have so many issues. At least he is starting to do a little better
though.
Just for clarification, he didn't have any of these problems before you were out of the country?
I would definitely start back up with the CBD, it did seem to help him out.
It shouldn't be hard on his liver, since it is a natural substance.
I hope he continues to improve for you.

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Re: Beardie with Intention Tremors. CBD seems to work??

Postby MissCutiePatootie » Sun Jan 17, 2021 1:34 am

@Tracie
Yeah I know, it saddens my heart.. I wish there was a cure all for him. x[
And yes, that's correct. He didn't have any of these walking issues, mouth rot, or liver damage (that I knew of) before I had left.
He DID have the tremors though. And I definitely think they have worsened. But it's hard to say if it's the hyperparathyroidism making it appear worse or his head tremor condition just grew worse while I was away whether it be from a tumor or some kind of genetic neurological issue or anything else even.
I'll start his CBD rounds again on Monday and see how it goes. I'm pretty excited to see how well it works for him and if he gets better at eating!
Thank you, I hope he continues too! <3
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Re: Beardie with Intention Tremors. CBD seems to work??

Postby MissCutiePatootie » Mon Jan 18, 2021 3:25 pm

I gave Malachi his first CBD dose today. He was given .1mL on his nose and acted like he asphyxiated on it and black bearded straight away. I tested the oil myself and there's nothing wrong with it that I can tell. Should be good for another few months according to the box.

I held him at a decline for probably 10minutes and he was still having troubles every 30 seconds or so. He was gonna poop on me because he wanted to crawl off me so bad (his usual poop behavior) so I gave him a quick warm soak in the sink (he did poop) and after he was still coughing but no longer black bearding.

I thought maybe the oil was thickening his saliva causing airway blockage and making him cough so I gave him 3mL of water in .5mL increments around his teeth to help thin or wash it out possibly and continued holding him at a decline when he coughed again. Waited a couple minutes and put him back in his tank for the heat to loosen up the oil more maybe. He still is coughing but I think he is going to be ok. I think it's going to stop soon. It was such a small amount and he licked the dose off his lips. I'm gonna have to mix it in food next time instead.

This is the first time he's done this with his CBD treatment so pretty odd for such a dramatic reaction. Posting it here because if someone else finds they have a similar issue then they can try giving it with some food instead. Might even just be a better idea to do so, even if it says to give on an empty stomach (for mammals who can cough properly if needed).

Also... Anyone have an idea of a solution I could mix a dose of the oil into that would thin it out so that it doesn't just mix with saliva and thicken? Because that's what I think happened. Water repels oil so I don't think it's as effective despite my efforts to help him out.
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Re: Beardie with Intention Tremors. CBD seems to work??

Postby Claudiusx » Mon Jan 18, 2021 3:35 pm

Did he suck it up into his nostrils by chance?

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Re: Beardie with Intention Tremors. CBD seems to work??

Postby MissCutiePatootie » Mon Jan 18, 2021 3:41 pm

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No, I don't believe so. If anything it just spread slightly between the crease of his lips. It's such a tiny amount it couldn't even reach his nostrils even if I pushed it all out at the same time.
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Re: Beardie with Intention Tremors. CBD seems to work??

Postby MissCutiePatootie » Mon Jan 18, 2021 3:51 pm

It is such a small amount so I'm not sure of this being the reason but when I tested it myself I took about a dropper full which is 1mL and it coats the mouth and I had to work it with my tongue for a bit before it went away. I think if it's just sitting in your mouth it feels kinda thick and gets thicker.

He was lapping it up with his tongue from my syringe and only took a few seconds before we finished. Probably licked the whole dose up in 3 licks cuz I went real slow, then he started backing away and began black bearding which is unusual for him. I gave it to him the same way I give him his calcium and stuff everyday. Inside his enclosure. He can move away freely and never black beards after taking calcium. I don't know if this information helps paint the picture well or not but maybe it does.
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Re: Beardie with Intention Tremors. CBD seems to work??

Postby Claudiusx » Mon Jan 18, 2021 4:15 pm

Oh ok, from the first description I pictured something different, but that clears it up.
Is it the same oil from previous doses?

Maybe he was just expecting something different since he was so used to getting his food and supplements that way, and this felt different?

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Re: Beardie with Intention Tremors. CBD seems to work??

Postby MissCutiePatootie » Mon Jan 18, 2021 5:54 pm

Yes it's the same stuff. Yeah he could have been expecting something else. That would make sense for him backing away.

And yeah tell me about it. Would make our lives so much easier if they just told us what's going on! lol
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Re: Beardie with Intention Tremors. CBD seems to work??

Postby Drache613 » Fri Jan 22, 2021 12:16 am

Hello Tina,

How is Malachi doing?
Did he finish shedding his eyes now I hope?
They sure can worry us though, is the CBD flavored or unflavored? Maybe he was wanting
something else instead.

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Re: Beardie with Intention Tremors. CBD seems to work??

Postby MissCutiePatootie » Fri Jan 22, 2021 3:55 am

Drache613 wrote:Hello Tina,

How is Malachi doing?
Did he finish shedding his eyes now I hope?
They sure can worry us though, is the CBD flavored or unflavored? Maybe he was wanting
something else instead.

Tracie


The CBD is not flavored with anything, it just tastes like hemp if you're familiar? It's like a plant/earthy mellow flavor. It's not super strong to be off putting but I still think it must have just surprised him maybe? I was giving him his calcium and supplements that are unflavored and then the hemp flavored oil at the same time.

Malachi's tremors are smoothing out.
We are on day 5 (4 doses so far because it's like almost 4am right now hehe)
If I was to put his tremors on a scale, 1-10
1 being not there anymore and 10 being the worst they have been which is pretty much where it's at when I got back..
4 doses @ 1mL and his tremors are probably at a 7 or 8.

His head movement is still jerky and shaky but the wobbliness of his head has gone down a lot. I think I only see glimpses of the wobble now sometimes. He seems more sharp.
His walking has improved a little because he doesn't seem as stiff in his movements. He still doesn't lift himself up off the ground like I'd prefer him to when he's out and about and his motor skills aren't what they used to be. His arms and legs look weak with his movement but he is very determined and gets to where he wants to with effort and a little clumsiness. I'm not sure if there's some sort of physical therapy exercises I could do to help him recover some motor skills that isn't stress inducing? Maybe you guys can give some ideas. The one I was doing was swimming in the bath for a few minutes each day. His toes could touch the bottom but it seemed to stress him out too much still I didn't like seeing him like that. He does dig a lot but seems too easy.
The tip of his tail still tremors off and on slightly. I haven't noticed it in his legs since yesterday so maybe those are gone now.
That's about as much description I can give on his tremors at the moment.
I plan to keep going with the CBD until the tremors have disappeared but I am dealing with much worse tremors than the first time I did this so I'm not sure if I should give him some breaks for his liver or continue. Last time I think I stopped around now and waited until the next week to start up again.

He seems calmer, but hasn't lost any of his energy and behaves alert and curious. He's awake before his lights are on (they turn on at 5:30am, he's quite the early bird) and is usually conked out before they turn off. His eyes are still shedding little tinsy pieces along his lashline. Hopefully they will finish soon, seems like it could be an annoyance haha.

On a happy note, my husband has made it known that he is up to something... He told me it's a big secret. He says he has a big surprise for me AND Malachi...and I can't wait to find out what it is! The fact it's for Malachi too will probably make me cry whatever it is haha! It's so sweet when your partner loves your scale babies as much as you do. <3 I'm so excited! I don't want to guess in case I'm wrong but I think it's going to be great! :blob5:
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