Hornworms

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Re: Hornworms

Postby diamc » Wed Feb 02, 2011 7:18 pm

I found this info about hornworms on www.mulberryfarms.com, thought I would share it.
Goliath worms grow so quickly sometimes they grow too big, too fast for some customers animals to eat. When Goliath worms reach the size desired - you can slow growth dramatically and extend shelf life considerably (by a couple weeks) - if you store them between 55 and 65 degrees.
DO NOT REFRIGERATE them because most refrigerators are between 35 and 40 degrees (too cold) which will usually kill them. The easiest way to extend their shelf life is to place the worm cups in an ice chest with small blue ice packets and exchange the blue ice with fresh ones at least once or twice a day to keep cool.
There is enough food in each cup to raise several worms to full size. If however you run short on food, they may become cannibalistic. Larger worms can eat bell pepper or you can purchase additional Hornworm food from Mulberry Farms at www.MulberryFarms.com.
CAUTION: DO NOT FEED TOMATO OR TOBACCO LEAVES TO HORNWORMS BECAUSE THEY ARE TOXIC TO REPTILES!!!
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Re: Hornworms

Postby Honda99300ex » Wed Feb 02, 2011 8:00 pm

JeepMiller09 wrote:Just ordered from coastal silk it was 20 buck for one container and shipping. Now I am new to hornworms and my understanding is that they r to be used as a treat. 2per day max. Everyone says they grow fast how fast are we talking about? Also can I pick them up by hand? I hear they can bite.

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Hornworms are actually very healthy and pretty low in fat. Ive read they can be used as a staple, but I never have just because I believe in feeding a variety. My dragons get pellets, greens & veggies, Dubia roaches, hornworms, and crickets all daily.
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Re: Hornworms

Postby zillathakilla » Wed Feb 02, 2011 8:21 pm

Honda99300ex wrote:Hornworms are actually very healthy and pretty low in fat. Ive read they can be used as a staple, but I never have just because I believe in feeding a variety. My dragons get pellets, greens & veggies, Dubia roaches, hornworms, and crickets all daily.


wow spoiled guys!do they actually eat the pellets? how much of each do they get?
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Re: Hornworms

Postby keen77 » Wed Feb 02, 2011 8:41 pm

got horn and phoenix worms from costal silkworms today, letting the horn worms get bigger but they went crazy over the phoenix worms
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Re: Hornworms

Postby triumphtt » Thu Feb 03, 2011 10:02 am

I ordered a Variety Pack from Linda @ http://www.lindasgonebuggie.com/page/397479218. She even let me switch a few things out for more silks and horns. I've talked to her off and on (haven't ordered from her since because of the winter and puff doesn't eat much at all) and she has helped me with any questions I've had with feeding and breeding them. She's been doing this for 20 years and just does it because she likes to.
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Re: Hornworms

Postby keen77 » Fri Feb 04, 2011 1:00 pm

triumphtt wrote:I ordered a Variety Pack from Linda @ http://www.lindasgonebuggie.com/page/397479218. She even let me switch a few things out for more silks and horns. I've talked to her off and on (haven't ordered from her since because of the winter and puff doesn't eat much at all) and she has helped me with any questions I've had with feeding and breeding them. She's been doing this for 20 years and just does it because she likes to.


wow she has some great package deals!!! Will be ordering from her next week. thanks!
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Re: Hornworms

Postby discojan » Sat Feb 05, 2011 8:52 pm

Oh my goodness! We just got gigantic hornworms from Mulberry farms. they are about 1.5 -2.5 inches. Is it safe to feed such big worms to an adult beardie? Or to a 19in juvenile (she is 11 months). I know you're not supposed to feed them anything that is larger than the space between their eyes. IF the worms are too big, do we need to cut them b/f feeding them to our dragons; this seems inordinately gross (to pre-cut the worms).

Also, I read that some worms can be equal to 36 crickets--at what size do the hornworms equal that many crickets. We're trying to fatten up our little girl (19in) and keep our big girl fit and trim. Any insight would be of great help. Many thanks, Jan
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Re: Hornworms

Postby Honda99300ex » Sat Feb 05, 2011 9:23 pm

i safely feed 3-4" hornworms to my adult dragons. hornworms are very softbodied.
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Re: Hornworms

Postby diamc » Sat Feb 05, 2011 9:30 pm

Honda99300ex wrote:i safely feed 3-4" hornworms to my adult dragons. hornworms are very softbodied.

I agree, adults have no problem with the large horns.
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Re: Hornworms

Postby discojan » Sun Feb 06, 2011 6:17 am

So 19in is big enough to be considered sub-adult? Our Salsa has had so many digestive problems due to treatment for parasites, I don't want to
give her any trouble!

I'm glad to hear that your adults love them--our girls are getting spoiled very quickly.
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Re: Hornworms

Postby Honda99300ex » Sun Feb 06, 2011 12:05 pm

19" should be fine. I have a couple adults on the smaller side and they still do fine with the full size hornworms.if you feel the worms you can tell how soft bodied they are. Honestly, in my opinion a hornworm would be the last feeder I would ever be worried about causing impacting or digestive problems. Again, thats just my opinion haha but I have never had anything but positive effects from the hornworms.
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Re: Hornworms

Postby discojan » Sun Feb 06, 2011 2:03 pm

Oh good. So what are the equivalents in crickets for every inch of hornworm about 8-10? I ready on Great Lakes, that a full-grown hornworm (3-4 inches) is equal to 36 crickets!!!
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Re: Hornworms

Postby Honda99300ex » Sun Feb 06, 2011 2:49 pm

not sure about that one, but I have heard the same,that a full grown hw is between 35-40 crickets, but not positive
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Re: Hornworms

Postby discojan » Sun Feb 06, 2011 6:57 pm

THanks Honda for your response. Our big girl really loved the big wormies!!!
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Re: Hornworms

Postby suzuki4life » Sun Feb 06, 2011 7:13 pm

hornworms can bite hard enough to draw blood. I would recommend NOT feeding the 4" ones.
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