Please help my beardie with coccidia

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Please help my beardie with coccidia

Postby rhaegaldrogo » Wed Dec 09, 2020 3:08 am

Hi there,
So, my bearded dragon Maximus had coccidia. In April he had started acting lazy and wasn't eating. He's had it confirmed since around August or July. He's been on 3 different medications, and I've been consistently cleaning down his enclosure and decor, yet he still has the parasite . He seems worse now - He hasn't eaten in weeks, doesn't move all day most days, and has lost 25g in the past 2-3 months. I don't know what to do.. Why won't this go away??
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Re: Please help my beardie with coccidia

Postby Claudiusx » Wed Dec 09, 2020 7:49 am

Hi there,

What medicines have been prescribed so far? We need to know the medicine, the dose, the prescribed dosing schedule, and the weight of your dragon.

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Re: Please help my beardie with coccidia

Postby rhaegaldrogo » Wed Dec 09, 2020 8:10 am

Claudiusx wrote:Hi there,

What medicines have been prescribed so far? We need to know the medicine, the dose, the prescribed dosing schedule, and the weight of your dragon.

-Brandon


Hi!
I can only remember the name of the first one, and the dosages for all :/.
The first one was seprtrin, 0.2ml for a week.
2nd one was an antibiotic used mostly for cattle. That was 0.1ml for 2 days with a day in between
3rd might have started with a T and was 0.1ml for 3 days, 10 days later he had 5 days of a dewormer, then 10 days after that another 3days of the antibiotic.
He stayed 450g for ages despite not eating much and is now 425g. He was 1 in September
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Re: Please help my beardie with coccidia

Postby Drache613 » Sat Dec 12, 2020 12:52 am

Hello,

Is he completely off of all medications right now? Have you been giving him any type of
probiotic to help get his tummy balanced back out after the rounds of medication?
You can try giving some blended baby food slurries with a little bit of molasses mixed in
with it for help with boosting the appetite. Or you could add bee pollen powder, instead.
Most of the time, it does take awhile for them to snap back after being medicated for
several ailments.

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Re: Please help my beardie with coccidia

Postby rhaegaldrogo » Sat Dec 12, 2020 2:38 am

Drache613 wrote:Hello,

Is he completely off of all medications right now? Have you been giving him any type of
probiotic to help get his tummy balanced back out after the rounds of medication?
You can try giving some blended baby food slurries with a little bit of molasses mixed in
with it for help with boosting the appetite. Or you could add bee pollen powder, instead.
Most of the time, it does take awhile for them to snap back after being medicated for
several ailments.

Tracie


Yes, he's off them for the moment. However , I'm bringing him back to the vets today. She's going to give me ammonia I believe and F10 to clean better this time, and probably some more antibiotics since he still has a lot of coccidia.
I did give him a bit of probioticsa a while back, but I'll get some more of that and baby food soon. I'll mix1bee pollen with it as well to see if that helps. I feel bad giving him so many antibiotics.. Will they harm him much in the long run?
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Re: Please help my beardie with coccidia

Postby Drache613 » Sun Dec 13, 2020 1:37 am

Hello,

The added ammonium based cleaner is fine, just be sure it is properly diluted & that you
thoroughly wash the areas you clean it with. It can be very strong & overpowering.
The antibiotics can be hard on their system & cause renal or liver issues. For coccidia, I
would recommend using Toltrazuril or Ponazuril (same agent) over Septrim or Albon. The
Septrim & Albon are actual antibiotics & are sulfa based which can contribute to yellow fungus
or renal hardship. The Toltrazuril or Ponazuril are actual anti-coccidial agents so they are
not classified as an antibiotic & are much less harsh.
The bee pollen should help out his immune system & appetite as well. I hope he gets to feeling
better.
Do you know what his coccidial counts were by chance?

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Re: Please help my beardie with coccidia

Postby AHBD » Sun Dec 13, 2020 3:55 pm

Hi there, sorry to hear how bad Maximus is feeling. I agree with Tracie, keep him off those harsh meds and try Ponazuril or Toltrazuril. Your vet may have meant well but all those meds. made Max sick. You can try some raw unpasteurized honey mixed with lukewarm water to get more hydration in him, it also has many nutrients and has some probiotic effects.
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Re: Please help my beardie with coccidia

Postby rhaegaldrogo » Sun Jan 10, 2021 5:34 am

Drache613 wrote:Hello,

The added ammonium based cleaner is fine, just be sure it is properly diluted & that you
thoroughly wash the areas you clean it with. It can be very strong & overpowering.
The antibiotics can be hard on their system & cause renal or liver issues. For coccidia, I
would recommend using Toltrazuril or Ponazuril (same agent) over Septrim or Albon. The
Septrim & Albon are actual antibiotics & are sulfa based which can contribute to yellow fungus
or renal hardship. The Toltrazuril or Ponazuril are actual anti-coccidial agents so they are
not classified as an antibiotic & are much less harsh.
The bee pollen should help out his immune system & appetite as well. I hope he gets to feeling
better.
Do you know what his coccidial counts were by chance?

Tracie


Hi there,

Apologies for my delayed response, i hope help is still available 😅. The vet gave me toltrazuril this time, that's what he'd been getting last time too I found out. He's finished his rounds weeks ago, yet doesn't appear any better. (I'm still cleaning his weekly with ammonia and F10)
He will still sleep all day if undisturbed in his hide.
When he is woken up either by me moving him, or the lights if he didn't sleep in his hide, he'll often go to the warm side. After about an hour or so, he starts to blackbeard and proceeds to run around like crazy. He's only been at this behaviour for a week (may have done it before had I woken him). Usually he does this if he needs to poop, but he isn't really doing that now.

He hasn't eaten on his own in months, and even when he was it was very little and only superworms. I managed to feed him baby food in the beginning of December, but now refuses that unless force fed. He's lost about 45grams in the last 3-4 months, now weighing about 405grams. When he was at the vets, she said he appeared healthy, so I suppose that's a good sign.. What should I do? 😅
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Re: Please help my beardie with coccidia

Postby rhaegaldrogo » Wed Jan 27, 2021 8:52 am

rhaegaldrogo wrote:
Drache613 wrote:Hello,

The added ammonium based cleaner is fine, just be sure it is properly diluted & that you
thoroughly wash the areas you clean it with. It can be very strong & overpowering.
The antibiotics can be hard on their system & cause renal or liver issues. For coccidia, I
would recommend using Toltrazuril or Ponazuril (same agent) over Septrim or Albon. The
Septrim & Albon are actual antibiotics & are sulfa based which can contribute to yellow fungus
or renal hardship. The Toltrazuril or Ponazuril are actual anti-coccidial agents so they are
not classified as an antibiotic & are much less harsh.
The bee pollen should help out his immune system & appetite as well. I hope he gets to feeling
better.
Do you know what his coccidial counts were by chance?

Tracie


Hi there,

Apologies for my delayed response, i hope help is still available 😅. The vet gave me toltrazuril this time, that's what he'd been getting last time too I found out. He's finished his rounds weeks ago, yet doesn't appear any better. (I'm still cleaning his weekly with ammonia and F10)
He will still sleep all day if undisturbed in his hide.
When he is woken up either by me moving him, or the lights if he didn't sleep in his hide, he'll often go to the warm side. After about an hour or so, he starts to blackbeard and proceeds to run around like crazy. He's only been at this behaviour for a week (may have done it before had I woken him). Usually he does this if he needs to poop, but he isn't really doing that now.

He hasn't eaten on his own in months, and even when he was it was very little and only superworms. I managed to feed him baby food in the beginning of December, but now refuses that unless force fed. He's lost about 45grams in the last 3-4 months, now weighing about 405grams. When he was at the vets, she said he appeared healthy, so I suppose that's a good sign.. What should I do? 😅



He's recently started eating a few roaches and superworms, but won't touch veggies. Still has days where he sleeps a lot, and black beards at some point almost daily. Can anyone help?
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Re: Please help my beardie with coccidia

Postby AHBD » Wed Jan 27, 2021 10:28 am

Good to hear he's eating again, that's always a positive sign. :) A male dragon out of brumation can have a somewhat perpetual black beard because it's breeding season. Some males are much more hormonal than others.
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Re: Please help my beardie with coccidia

Postby rhaegaldrogo » Wed Jan 27, 2021 11:49 am

AHBD wrote:Good to hear he's eating again, that's always a positive sign. :) A male dragon out of brumation can have a somewhat perpetual black beard because it's breeding season. Some males are much more hormonal than others.


Ahh I see! He does tend to blackbeard and get hyperactive right after eating if that means anything?
So, would you reckon this behaviour he's doing is due to brumation rather than having coccidia?
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Re: Please help my beardie with coccidia

Postby AHBD » Wed Jan 27, 2021 12:44 pm

Both are possible reasons for black bearding so either one. Most likely his hormones though.
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Re: Please help my beardie with coccidia

Postby Spikeyboo » Tue May 11, 2021 7:18 pm

Perhaps get another fecal exam to confirm Coccidia is gone. Your beardie sounds better than mine she has Coccidia as well. She is really dehydrated so I've been force feeding her water. I'm basically keeping her alive because she can't move at all on her own. How long did you have to feed yours for?
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