Critically ill beardy - RIP Sydney, you will be missed!

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Stephan85

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Edit - hi, just updated subject title as unfortunately our beardy has passed away. We appreciate all the support we got from everyone! I will stay on the forum and we will most likely get another beardy but not anytime soon.. No beardy can replace our Sydney!!

Hi all, i know it’s my first post and unfortunately not a nice one.
Our little beardy is 3,5 years old and suddenly got very ill, we have already taken trips to the vet and got her on different meds.

She started shedding her tail and head which usually makes her a bit grumpy and give her a lack of appetite.. she basically didn’t touch her veggies but did eat one/two lokust a day. After a week it started to look more like signs of respiratory infection so we took her to the vet straight away (reptile specialist, recommended in the area). Luckily no signs of RI but they expected she might be carrying eggs. She obviously felt the need to poo at the vet so they got a sample fresh from the oven, this came back she had (minimal) parasites so we got meds for this.
She showed signs of improvement and started eating again however her shed was turning very bad so we went back to the vet again which concluded fungus infection. We are devestated as she is just going downhill quickly these days.

Got her on multiple meds, both oral and injection, force feeding protein and daily bathing/cleaning. Again she was showing signs of improvement (her skin looks almost normal again) but yesterday she took like 10 steps back.. pooed, trew up and doesn’t let anyone get close, she has lost weight and is now constantly sleeping. Funny enough she can still run/climb like crazy which also amazed the vet, she is a strong little beardy otherwise.

Is there anything else anyone can recommend...? We don’t want to force her to be alive and maybe even in pain just for our sake but we also want to keep that option as our very last option...!

We have been reviewing her set up with multiple people and made sure we triple checked everything, replaced bulbs just for the sake of it... we have an appointment with the vet on Thursday where we would have to make a decision what to do next if no signs of improvement....
 

PodunkKhaleesi

Hatchling Member
Is the vet treating your beardie a reptile/herp vet? There are a lot of general vets that are willing to see reptiles, but unfortunately their lack of background in reptile biology means a potential wrong diagnosis or prescribing meds that would work fine on a guinea pig but can be dangerous to a lizard. If the vet you saw does have an extensive background in herps (you can double check this on anapsid.org), then you may want to consider posting the medications your beardie is currently on. There are members with a veterinary background whose input may be very helpful regarding your treatment plan. If your current vet isn’t a reptile specialist, I’d suggest making an appointment with one (you can find one in your area on the same previously mentioned website). The fact that your beardie is still spry (running/climbing) makes me an optimist. I’m so sorry you’re going through this and hope she’s able to recover.
 

dezismom

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Can you clarify what you mean, by the shed turning "very bad?" And what kind of fungus your vet has diagnosed--a skin fungus, or one in the lungs? Is your beardies breathing labored? Exactly what meds is she taking? Sometimes, too many meds, or switching to different meds, can make a problem worse. Also the side effects can make a Beardie more sick, before they get better. Some meds take weeks to have complete effect...and depending on the meds, a supplement with probiotics is needed, to support their digestion during and after treatment..what exactly are the symptoms of "going downhill"? .What makes you think she is in pain? .A photo of the beardie, and of the"fungus" if on the skin, would be very helpful.

Without more information, any advise I gave would be just guesses, but I can say that, if she is still moving, eating, drinking and pooing, there is no reason to lose hope. We often misinerpret signs of stress, as pain--the stress of taking meds, or a change in routine can cause behaviors that will go back to normal, when the medicating and treatments are done. We tend to want this difficult time to be over with soon, for their sake, but it takes a long time to treat and then for full recovery--sometimes weeks of treatment, followed by weeks until full strength returns. The animal is not aware of time as a concept as we know it, and does not suffer as we think of human suffering; they are much sturdier than we think. When I was in the wildlife rehab business, I did not hesitate to put down an animal that was not going to recover. However, if recovery is at all possible, giving them time to do so is my own inclination, even though it may be difficult to watch their struggle. We may be thinking a sign, like heavy breathing, for example, is due to pain, but it is actually something else entirely...and sleeping can be a sign of the body using energy to heal itself.

Beardies are very dramatic--and we of course love them and do not want "needless suffering", but if we just wait it out, they can make amazing recoveries. Other times, they can seem to get better, of have just a minor illness, and we lose them no matter what we do. That said, only you know the whole picture, and only you can make the decision that is right for you and your beardie. It is so very difficult. I apologise for so many questions, and hope that it does not add to your distress, but if I were to just toss out a bunch of guesses at you, without good understanding of the symptoms and problem, it would not be much help, at all...I am sorry you are going through this.
 

Stephan85

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Many thanks for your reply. I had a look on the website but when selecting ‘england’ it seens the last update was in 2016 and unfortunately none of them seem to be close (Brighton, east sussex region). Obviously we are willing to travel if needed but wonder if the website is still accurate enough for this..?

Anyway in case it helps, we went to see Coastway Vets in Brighton which we got recommended by the RSPCA reptile rescue.
Regarding treatment we got the following:
0.04ml loxicom - once daily up to a week
0.15ml Sporanox - only daily up to 10 days
0.1ml fortum inj (ceftazidime) every 3 days

Otherwise we got some cleaning stuff that you mix with water, looks like a light tea. (Would have to look up the name but that seems what everyone is using). Give her a daily bath, clean her home and replace towels/newspaper.
Temps are 40c in basking and around 20c in cold corner. UVB has been replaced a month ago and she’s in a 4ft viv.
Thursday just before the timer turned off the light she trew up, we cleaned everything and when coming home on friday her whole head/face looked flat and eyes sunken. We tried giving her longer baths but doesn’t seem to improve, not sure how long this will take?
Her weight is ‘stable’ around 250 grams but she used to be 400 grams 2 weeks ago to give you an idea how fast it’s going.
We got wax worms, lokust, morio worms, crickets but she doesn’t want any of it, we can only give her a small proteine mixture with syringe but that doesn’t feel like enough...?

Even though she is so sleepy/slow.. today she went for a swim and also for a small walk through the living room..! We really hope there is any chance for survival and any help/advice is welcome!
We have also looked at Hawthorn Vets in west sussex but didn’t go there.
 

Stephan85

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dezismom":2n70h5wt said:
Can you clarify what you mean, by the shed turning "very bad?" And what kind of fungus your vet has diagnosed--a skin fungus, or one in the lungs? Is your beardies breathing labored? Exactly what meds is she taking? Sometimes, too many meds, or switching to different meds, can make a problem worse. Also the side effects can make a Beardie more sick, before they get better. Some meds take weeks to have complete effect...and depending on the meds, a supplement with probiotics is needed, to support their digestion during and after treatment..what exactly are the symptoms of "going downhill"? .What makes you think she is in pain? .A photo of the beardie, and of the"fungus" if on the skin, would be very helpful.

Without more information, any advise I gave would be just guesses, but I can say that, if she is still moving, eating, drinking and pooing, there is no reason to lose hope. We often misinerpret signs of stress, as pain--the stress of taking meds, or a change in routine can cause behaviors that will go back to normal, when the medicating and treatments are done. We tend to want this difficult time to be over with soon, for their sake, but it takes a long time to treat and then for full recovery--sometimes weeks of treatment, followed by weeks until full strength returns. The animal is not aware of time as a concept as we know it, and does not suffer as we think of human suffering; they are much sturdier than we think. When I was in the wildlife rehab business, I did not hesitate to put down an animal that was not going to recover. However, if recovery is at all possible, giving them time to do so is my own inclination, even though it may be difficult to watch their struggle. We may be thinking a sign, like heavy breathing, for example, is due to pain, but it is actually something else entirely...and sleeping can be a sign of the body using energy to heal itself.

Beardies are very dramatic--and we of course love them and do not want "needless suffering", but if we just wait it out, they can make amazing recoveries. Other times, they can seem to get better, of have just a minor illness, and we lose them no matter what we do. That said, only you know the whole picture, and only you can make the decision that is right for you and your beardie. It is so very difficult. I apologise for so many questions, and hope that it does not add to your distress, but if I were to just toss out a bunch of guesses at you, without good understanding of the symptoms and problem, it would not be much help, at all...I am sorry you are going through this.

Thanks for your reply! I will add more detail/pictures later when on the laptop.
Regarding her shed going bad, it looked like old skin got stuck around her bum which made her very uncomfortable. Also she started puffing out air sometimes which we thought was related to some old skin being stuck in her nose. She basically puffs up her beard and puffs out air, no specific sound mainly the ‘release of air’ if that makes sense. Sometimes she does it a few times combined with heavy breathing and keeps her mouth open, other days she just does it once an hour or even less.
Otherwise mouth looks pink and clean...!

Fungus on the skin, mainly around nose and mouth. When initially looking online it could’ve been mouth rot. This however started to improve a few days after we started treatment.

Regarding going downhill, for us it looks like she transformed from a healthy beardy into a nearly dead one in 2 weeks time and she just doesn’t look great. Obviously someone else might say she still looks ok...

Hope this helps a bit more and don’t worry about questions, just trying to do my best to answer the best way i can :) they are just such wonderful animals!
 
You poor things! I have an amazing reptile vet specialist in Guildford England. I don’t know where about you are uk if they would be an option for you? I found using repti boost with meds really helped mines systems. It’s got probiotics in it. Good luck x
 

AHBD

BD.org Sicko
Sorry to hear that your beardie is in such a state. :( What's her name ? Please post some pics of her with close ups of the problem areas. Here's how :
https://www.beardeddragon.org/useruploads/ Then use the XIMG to upload them

Losing that much weight so quickly is really serious. She may have more going on than a fungal infection. I hope you can find a good vet, best wishes to you.
 
That’s a massive weight loss, not sure if that goes with the egg theory? when they mentioned trying to lay eggs did they check if she was carrying? I know it’s very serious if they can’t lay fertile eggs but I’m not sure about infertile ones? Don’t blame yourself if you let her go today, it must be heart braking to watch her decline and as responsible owners we have to decide where to put the line.
On the other hand if she rally’s and you want to try my vet Ben i’ll Risk a telling off and get you the details.
My thoughts are with you
 

Stephan85

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Original Poster
Thanks for your reply and support, we unfortunately had to make the hard decision this morning. I have removed my other posts for now as I know they weren’t nice to read... :(

And instead of posting pictures of a sick beardy, here is one of her in the better days and how we will remember her!

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AHBD

BD.org Sicko
So sorry that you lost your girl. :( What a beautiful picture, sweet faced little beardie. :) My heart goes out to you, it's always so hard to lose a pet.
 

Drache613

BD.org Sicko
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Hello,

Oh no, I am so sorry you lost her, it seems that it was all very sudden. :cry: I just wonder if it
was egg related, did they not determine that?
She was definitely a beautiful girl & I'm sure she knew how much you loved her.

Tracie
 

kingofnobbys

BD.org Sicko
Stephan85":1u675zov said:
Many thanks for your reply. I had a look on the website but when selecting ‘england’ it seens the last update was in 2016 and unfortunately none of them seem to be close (Brighton, east sussex region). Obviously we are willing to travel if needed but wonder if the website is still accurate enough for this..?

Anyway in case it helps, we went to see Coastway Vets in Brighton which we got recommended by the RSPCA reptile rescue.
Regarding treatment we got the following:
0.04ml loxicom - once daily up to a week
0.15ml Sporanox - only daily up to 10 days
0.1ml fortum inj (ceftazidime) every 3 days

Otherwise we got some cleaning stuff that you mix with water, looks like a light tea. (Would have to look up the name but that seems what everyone is using). Give her a daily bath, clean her home and replace towels/newspaper.
Temps are 40c in basking and around 20c in cold corner. UVB has been replaced a month ago and she’s in a 4ft viv. <<< suggest nudging up the mean viv temperature by 6 - 10 degC , ie cool zone up to about 28-30 degC , but keep the basking spot not hotter than 40 degC, she also needs to be kept warmer overnight (I suggest no cooler than 26 degC overnight) this will help boost her metabolism and immune system - did the vet suggest this too ? (should have if they are competent).
Thursday just before the timer turned off the light she trew up, we cleaned everything and when coming home on friday her whole head/face looked flat and eyes sunken. We tried giving her longer baths but doesn’t seem to improve, not sure how long this will take?
Her weight is ‘stable’ around 250 grams but she used to be 400 grams 2 weeks ago to give you an idea how fast it’s going.
We got wax worms, lokust, morio worms, crickets but she doesn’t want any of it, we can only give her a small proteine mixture with syringe but that doesn’t feel like enough...? <<< what is the exact protein mix you are giving ? Oxbow ? VetaFarm ?

Even though she is so sleepy/slow.. today she went for a swim and also for a small walk through the living room..! We really hope there is any chance for survival and any help/advice is welcome!
We have also looked at Hawthorn Vets in west sussex but didn’t go there.

Poor girl , sounds like she's in a bad way.

I recommend you get hold of some VETAFARM REPTILE CRITTA CARE , I've had a lot of success with critically ill lizards feeding this to them a little each day by syringe in leu of whole insects.
http://www.vetnpetdirect.com.au/vetafarm_critta_care_reptile

You may need to resort to crop needle feeding to get food into her, see viewtopic.php?f=45&t=232687
 
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