My 7yr old 24" 740g male bearded dragon Oscar was taken to the vet. He has difficulty moving his back legs, which makes it difficult for him to move in general. I've also observed muscle spasms in his back legs and tail. This is a chronic issue that has persisted for over 1yr, though during that time has shown phases of improvement and regression. Overall, he is improved from 1yr ago, though has not shown any improvement in the last two months or so. Animal displays poor appetite and overall lethargy, though these traits are nothing new and he has always been a fussy eater. I'm currently syringe feeding him critical care with assorted baby foods supplemented with pro-biotics, liquid calcium, and multivitamins.
My assumption 1yr ago was a calcium deficiency, possibly due to stress and enclosure changes that resulted from moving out of state (for approximately 8 months he received a lower level of care then he had previously and reduced UVB levels due to temporary housing)
About a week ago I kicked it into high gear. He's now in a 40 gallon breeder with no hides and intense UV exposure that is being monitored by my Solarmeter 6.2 and 6.5. Activity level appears improved.
Still though, the fact I haven't nipped this in the bud by now has me concerned, so last Friday he went to the vet.
Vet performed X-rays which showed good bone density and no obvious signs of injury to the spinal chord. Vet commented that there was a surprising amount of fat in the abdomen (though this animal does not appear overweight at all). Vet said it was likely due to his sedentary lifestyle. Vet ruled out impaction, though it was never a concern because Oscar has regular bowel movements.
Vet performed blood work which he stated was normal for the most part aside from slightly low uric acid levels. Vet further stated that the white blood cell count was normal, though I recall him saying something related to this was elevated. Vet said calcium levels were normal. I'm going to try and get a copy of the blood work to post here.
Vet performed fecal test for parasites which showed normal results.
Vet performed physical examination where he noted that the animal appeared well hydrated, but had seriously reduced reflexes in his back legs. vet noted that the front leg reflexes appeared normal.
Vet stated that there was no clear definitive answer for the muscle weakness and slowed reflexes in the back legs and stated that he wanted to refer me to Texas A&M for a more thorough screening, including a CT scan. Vet seems to think it has nothing to do with a calcium deficiency, and stated it could possibly be some sort of lesion on an organ or perhaps on the spinal chord.
My questions are as follows.
Could nerve damage have resulted from a previous calcium deficiency, even though bone density and calcium levels are fine now? Could there be nerve issues as a result of a calcium deficiency without there being any bone degradation?
How fast can blood calcium levels come back to normal but the animal still by symptomatic?
Over a year ago this animal could barely move. He has since regained most of the movement in his front legs, but still shows great difficulty with his back legs. If it were a lesion or some other direct damage to a nerve cluster, I don't think he would be showing improvement at all, not when the only things being changed were increased UVB exposure and calcium supplementation.
Has anyone experienced anything like this?
My game plan is to continue to observe Oscar for two more weeks in the quarantine tank. If I note improvement, great, if not then its off to A&M.
How old is your dragon? 7yrs
How long have you had your dragon? 6.5yrs
How long is your dragon? 24"
What is the sex of your dragon? male
What size enclosure do you have your dragon in? 4"x2"
What type substrate do you have on the bottom of your tank? slate tile
Do you use UVB lights? yes
If so, Is it a coil, compact, fluorescent tube, or Mercury Vapor bulb? Fluorescent tube
What is the brand name and number of your bulb? Wattage (if MVB)? Reptisun 10.0, Arcadia D3+
How old is your UVB bulb? replaced every 6 months with decay rate monitored by Solar Meter 6.2 and 6.5
How close can your dragon get to the UVB? approximately 7"
Do you use a separate basking bulb? What kind and what is the wattage? Is it a white or colored bulb? Halogen flood lamp with additional incandescent lamp, non-colored. Wattage is irrelevant its controlled by a rheostat and an IR temp gun.
What are the basking temps? 95 to 110, large basking zone
What is the cool side temp? ~75 to 80
Do you take the temps with a stick on thermometer, a digital thermometer with a wire and a probe end or a temp gun? temp gun
Where exactly are you taking your basking temps? Wherever my lizard basks
Do you use a heat rock or heat pad? no
What do you feed your dragon? Please be specific. Super worms are the staple he grew up eating along with dark leafy greens, collard, mustard, turnip, kale, etc. He doesn't eat greens all that often. Now he is on a diet of critical care and squash baby food with supplements. Babyfood is sometimes changed for vegy mix or other type.
How often do you feed and what time do you feed (morning, afternoon, night)? Afternoon usually. He usually only takes 1 feeding of critical care, 15 to 30 mils. typically wont tolerate a second feeding. His weight has been maintained.
Do you gutload (feed) your crickets, worms, etc? Yes
Do you use vitamin or calcium supplements? What brand(s)? How many days a week do you use each of them? repcal Herptivite, Repcal fine grind powder w/ D3. Liquid calcium and liquid B vitamins as well.
Is your dragon having regular bowel movements (poops)? yes
Do you bath your dragon? How often? yes, about 1x weekly
Do you mist your dragon or offer water other than in the bath? Yes, through a water dropper and liquid diet.
Have you gotten a vet check and fecal done? yes see above
Does your dragon share an enclosure with another dragon? no[/color]
My assumption 1yr ago was a calcium deficiency, possibly due to stress and enclosure changes that resulted from moving out of state (for approximately 8 months he received a lower level of care then he had previously and reduced UVB levels due to temporary housing)
About a week ago I kicked it into high gear. He's now in a 40 gallon breeder with no hides and intense UV exposure that is being monitored by my Solarmeter 6.2 and 6.5. Activity level appears improved.
Still though, the fact I haven't nipped this in the bud by now has me concerned, so last Friday he went to the vet.
Vet performed X-rays which showed good bone density and no obvious signs of injury to the spinal chord. Vet commented that there was a surprising amount of fat in the abdomen (though this animal does not appear overweight at all). Vet said it was likely due to his sedentary lifestyle. Vet ruled out impaction, though it was never a concern because Oscar has regular bowel movements.
Vet performed blood work which he stated was normal for the most part aside from slightly low uric acid levels. Vet further stated that the white blood cell count was normal, though I recall him saying something related to this was elevated. Vet said calcium levels were normal. I'm going to try and get a copy of the blood work to post here.
Vet performed fecal test for parasites which showed normal results.
Vet performed physical examination where he noted that the animal appeared well hydrated, but had seriously reduced reflexes in his back legs. vet noted that the front leg reflexes appeared normal.
Vet stated that there was no clear definitive answer for the muscle weakness and slowed reflexes in the back legs and stated that he wanted to refer me to Texas A&M for a more thorough screening, including a CT scan. Vet seems to think it has nothing to do with a calcium deficiency, and stated it could possibly be some sort of lesion on an organ or perhaps on the spinal chord.
My questions are as follows.
Could nerve damage have resulted from a previous calcium deficiency, even though bone density and calcium levels are fine now? Could there be nerve issues as a result of a calcium deficiency without there being any bone degradation?
How fast can blood calcium levels come back to normal but the animal still by symptomatic?
Over a year ago this animal could barely move. He has since regained most of the movement in his front legs, but still shows great difficulty with his back legs. If it were a lesion or some other direct damage to a nerve cluster, I don't think he would be showing improvement at all, not when the only things being changed were increased UVB exposure and calcium supplementation.
Has anyone experienced anything like this?
My game plan is to continue to observe Oscar for two more weeks in the quarantine tank. If I note improvement, great, if not then its off to A&M.
How old is your dragon? 7yrs
How long have you had your dragon? 6.5yrs
How long is your dragon? 24"
What is the sex of your dragon? male
What size enclosure do you have your dragon in? 4"x2"
What type substrate do you have on the bottom of your tank? slate tile
Do you use UVB lights? yes
If so, Is it a coil, compact, fluorescent tube, or Mercury Vapor bulb? Fluorescent tube
What is the brand name and number of your bulb? Wattage (if MVB)? Reptisun 10.0, Arcadia D3+
How old is your UVB bulb? replaced every 6 months with decay rate monitored by Solar Meter 6.2 and 6.5
How close can your dragon get to the UVB? approximately 7"
Do you use a separate basking bulb? What kind and what is the wattage? Is it a white or colored bulb? Halogen flood lamp with additional incandescent lamp, non-colored. Wattage is irrelevant its controlled by a rheostat and an IR temp gun.
What are the basking temps? 95 to 110, large basking zone
What is the cool side temp? ~75 to 80
Do you take the temps with a stick on thermometer, a digital thermometer with a wire and a probe end or a temp gun? temp gun
Where exactly are you taking your basking temps? Wherever my lizard basks
Do you use a heat rock or heat pad? no
What do you feed your dragon? Please be specific. Super worms are the staple he grew up eating along with dark leafy greens, collard, mustard, turnip, kale, etc. He doesn't eat greens all that often. Now he is on a diet of critical care and squash baby food with supplements. Babyfood is sometimes changed for vegy mix or other type.
How often do you feed and what time do you feed (morning, afternoon, night)? Afternoon usually. He usually only takes 1 feeding of critical care, 15 to 30 mils. typically wont tolerate a second feeding. His weight has been maintained.
Do you gutload (feed) your crickets, worms, etc? Yes
Do you use vitamin or calcium supplements? What brand(s)? How many days a week do you use each of them? repcal Herptivite, Repcal fine grind powder w/ D3. Liquid calcium and liquid B vitamins as well.
Is your dragon having regular bowel movements (poops)? yes
Do you bath your dragon? How often? yes, about 1x weekly
Do you mist your dragon or offer water other than in the bath? Yes, through a water dropper and liquid diet.
Have you gotten a vet check and fecal done? yes see above
Does your dragon share an enclosure with another dragon? no[/color]