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Eye problems

Postby Pest » Sun Feb 21, 2021 9:34 pm

Hi, my beardie jesse has had eye problems for a while, around a year and a half now where he eyes swell (not shedding related we believe) to very very bulgy eyes. I posted on https://www.beardeddragonforum.com/thre ... eye.24394/ at first and they recommended me coming here. I did bloodwork with my local herp vet (no others nearby) and after two weeks it came back from the labs there in miami that everything was fine and they could not find anything wrong. I think she may have posted on a site at one point asking other vet's that had more experience but she never got back to me on that. I will post the pictures here that I posted on the thread. I cannot figure out how to post pictures so I will post them through imgur
https://imgur.com/QTa6Qzz
It usually happens sometimes while under the lights, but usually its when shes out of them, a lot of times when shes going to bed when all the lights are off.
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Re: Eye problems

Postby Pest » Sun Feb 21, 2021 9:35 pm

I was thinking that maybe something could be in her eyes? She gave me eye drops at one point but they made her eyes swell worse and it scared me, so she told me I could stop using them. I don't know if any of you have ever seen something like this? We know it is not shed related, well we think at least, since it is a constant thing daily thing and only started happening a while ago, maybe eye damage?
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Re: Eye problems

Postby kingofnobbys » Sun Feb 21, 2021 11:28 pm

Both eyes are very swollen ( looking other link ).

I think this is fluid build up in the membranes in the eyesockets and may be very indicative of a aneurism .

If it is then surgery is needed ( not a good prognosis ), I lost my wonderful smoogy big boy Puff to a similar issue ( died in ICrecovery , never woke up ).
Job for a very EXPERIENCED reptile vet who has EXPERIENCE with aneurisms. ( Hard to find .)

If the vet diagnoses an aneurism , ask about harvesting some of the dragon's blood and building up enough stored blood to do a large transfusion during the surgery ( will be very high loss in blood volume which will produce very low blood pressure ==> can cause a fatal heart attack ( this killed my Puff ) .
I'd suggest if the vet tells you surgery is needed , that in the month or two before surgery (will be expensive) that the vet takes blood for cold storage every week or two before the surgery. Some vets might suggest transfusing in surgery from a sacrificial dragon ( or 2 ) .

Look up aneurisms in bearded dragons for more info.'

If it's not an aneurism , it could be swelling due to a tumour or an abscess , both cases involve serious surgery .

The problem WILL NOT go away with home remedies / without serious reptile vet intervention .

Another risk is the dragon will rupture an eye in frustration by rubbing it against a hard surface or when thrashing it's head about.
Remove all hard objects from the tank. Puff did this to his swollen eye ( blood everywhere !!).
CBDs: Cleopatra & Caesar born 28Jan19.
Puff (RIP 10Dec15),Rex (RIP 16Mar17),Toothless (RIP 26Nov17).Peppa (RIP 22Mar19).
EBTSs : George & Mildred (born july 2010).
EWSs : , Fluffy (F) rescued injured by lawnwacker 14Nov17, Gutzy (F) rescued 27Sep19 - RIP 3Aug20 (est 12 yo), Wriggles (F) - injured rescue, over 8 yrs old, RIP 2Feb16 old age. Lucky juvenile (M) - cat attack rescue (lost r-eye, broken r-lower jaw), fatal SI RIP 21Jul2010.
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Re: Eye problems

Postby Drache613 » Mon Feb 22, 2021 12:24 am

Hello,

Those eyes are pretty swollen absolutely. Are they swollen like that all of the time?
I agree that he does need to see a vet, as that can indicate an aneurism or a heart or
renal issue.
That cannot be comfortable for him at all. Is he eating anything right now?

Let us know how he is doing.

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Re: Eye problems

Postby Pest » Mon Feb 22, 2021 1:52 am

Drache613 wrote:Hello,

Those eyes are pretty swollen absolutely. Are they swollen like that all of the time?
I agree that he does need to see a vet, as that can indicate an aneurism or a heart or
renal issue.
That cannot be comfortable for him at all. Is he eating anything right now?

Let us know how he is doing.

Tracie

Yes, she has no problem eating. Perfectly fine, eats anything I give her. It only lasts for a minute, maybe less most of the time. It goes away pretty fast, to be honest. I've looked at aneurisms and so far it looks like they usually are persistent and don't go away like her swelling does?
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Re: Eye problems

Postby Pest » Mon Feb 22, 2021 1:59 am

kingofnobbys wrote:Both eyes are very swollen ( looking other link ).

I think this is fluid build up in the membranes in the eyesockets and may be very indicative of a aneurism .

If it is then surgery is needed ( not a good prognosis ), I lost my wonderful smoogy big boy Puff to a similar issue ( died in ICrecovery , never woke up ).
Job for a very EXPERIENCED reptile vet who has EXPERIENCE with aneurisms. ( Hard to find .)

If the vet diagnoses an aneurism , ask about harvesting some of the dragon's blood and building up enough stored blood to do a large transfusion during the surgery ( will be very high loss in blood volume which will produce very low blood pressure ==> can cause a fatal heart attack ( this killed my Puff ) .
I'd suggest if the vet tells you surgery is needed , that in the month or two before surgery (will be expensive) that the vet takes blood for cold storage every week or two before the surgery. Some vets might suggest transfusing in surgery from a sacrificial dragon ( or 2 ) .

Look up aneurisms in bearded dragons for more info.'

If it's not an aneurism , it could be swelling due to a tumour or an abscess , both cases involve serious surgery .

The problem WILL NOT go away with home remedies / without serious reptile vet intervention .

Another risk is the dragon will rupture an eye in frustration by rubbing it against a hard surface or when thrashing it's head about.
Remove all hard objects from the tank. Puff did this to his swollen eye ( blood everywhere !!).

I'm going to be honest, this is scaring me immensely. I thought it was fine because nothing came back with the vet results and usually its not a big thing bothering her, only a momentary thing and the vet told me not to be bothered. It's scaring me a lot, because from what I'm seeing that this could cost thousands, that if I had I would gladly spend, but do not have. I genuinely hope it is not an aneurism, or anything that serious. My vet, which is one of the only herps I found nearby, charges me an arm and a leg just for a check up. I paid 400 in bills just for the blood work.
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Re: Eye problems

Postby Pest » Mon Feb 22, 2021 2:05 am

Also, by hard objects, would her wooden hide and hammocks count? Then she wouldn't have anything..
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Re: Eye problems

Postby kingofnobbys » Mon Feb 22, 2021 4:46 am

Pest wrote:
kingofnobbys wrote:Both eyes are very swollen ( looking other link ).

I think this is fluid build up in the membranes in the eyesockets and may be very indicative of a aneurism .

If it is then surgery is needed ( not a good prognosis ), I lost my wonderful smoogy big boy Puff to a similar issue ( died in ICrecovery , never woke up ).
Job for a very EXPERIENCED reptile vet who has EXPERIENCE with aneurisms. ( Hard to find .)

If the vet diagnoses an aneurism , ask about harvesting some of the dragon's blood and building up enough stored blood to do a large transfusion during the surgery ( will be very high loss in blood volume which will produce very low blood pressure ==> can cause a fatal heart attack ( this killed my Puff ) .
I'd suggest if the vet tells you surgery is needed , that in the month or two before surgery (will be expensive) that the vet takes blood for cold storage every week or two before the surgery. Some vets might suggest transfusing in surgery from a sacrificial dragon ( or 2 ) .

Look up aneurisms in bearded dragons for more info.'

If it's not an aneurism , it could be swelling due to a tumour or an abscess , both cases involve serious surgery .

The problem WILL NOT go away with home remedies / without serious reptile vet intervention .

Another risk is the dragon will rupture an eye in frustration by rubbing it against a hard surface or when thrashing it's head about.
Remove all hard objects from the tank. Puff did this to his swollen eye ( blood everywhere !!).

I'm going to be honest, this is scaring me immensely. I thought it was fine because nothing came back with the vet results and usually its not a big thing bothering her, only a momentary thing and the vet told me not to be bothered. It's scaring me a lot, because from what I'm seeing that this could cost thousands, that if I had I would gladly spend, but do not have. I genuinely hope it is not an aneurism, or anything that serious. My vet, which is one of the only herps I found nearby, charges me an arm and a leg just for a check up. I paid 400 in bills just for the blood work.



If it were due to an aneurism , the eyes would be bulging all the time , and likely getting worse over time.

I was $800 out of pocket for the Puff's surgery and no pet dragon at the end to show for it ( about 4 years ago ).
Same applies if there's a tumor or an abscess (the roof of the mouth or involving both eyesockets.

You say the eyes debulge ? …. that's very extreme temporary ?? behavioural eyebulging ?? .

Photos of her currently with eyebulging and when the bulging has subsided will help give clues .

I think a second opinion from another (independent) reptile vet is warranted.
CBDs: Cleopatra & Caesar born 28Jan19.
Puff (RIP 10Dec15),Rex (RIP 16Mar17),Toothless (RIP 26Nov17).Peppa (RIP 22Mar19).
EBTSs : George & Mildred (born july 2010).
EWSs : , Fluffy (F) rescued injured by lawnwacker 14Nov17, Gutzy (F) rescued 27Sep19 - RIP 3Aug20 (est 12 yo), Wriggles (F) - injured rescue, over 8 yrs old, RIP 2Feb16 old age. Lucky juvenile (M) - cat attack rescue (lost r-eye, broken r-lower jaw), fatal SI RIP 21Jul2010.
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Re: Eye problems

Postby KarrieRee » Mon Feb 22, 2021 5:00 am

I agree ---- www.arav.org
this is to find a reptile vet - I dont know if the one your seeing is a specific reptile vet
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Re: Eye problems

Postby Pest » Mon Feb 22, 2021 3:54 pm

kingofnobbys wrote:
Pest wrote:
kingofnobbys wrote:Both eyes are very swollen ( looking other link ).

I think this is fluid build up in the membranes in the eyesockets and may be very indicative of a aneurism .

If it is then surgery is needed ( not a good prognosis ), I lost my wonderful smoogy big boy Puff to a similar issue ( died in ICrecovery , never woke up ).
Job for a very EXPERIENCED reptile vet who has EXPERIENCE with aneurisms. ( Hard to find .)

If the vet diagnoses an aneurism , ask about harvesting some of the dragon's blood and building up enough stored blood to do a large transfusion during the surgery ( will be very high loss in blood volume which will produce very low blood pressure ==> can cause a fatal heart attack ( this killed my Puff ) .
I'd suggest if the vet tells you surgery is needed , that in the month or two before surgery (will be expensive) that the vet takes blood for cold storage every week or two before the surgery. Some vets might suggest transfusing in surgery from a sacrificial dragon ( or 2 ) .

Look up aneurisms in bearded dragons for more info.'

If it's not an aneurism , it could be swelling due to a tumour or an abscess , both cases involve serious surgery .

The problem WILL NOT go away with home remedies / without serious reptile vet intervention .

Another risk is the dragon will rupture an eye in frustration by rubbing it against a hard surface or when thrashing it's head about.
Remove all hard objects from the tank. Puff did this to his swollen eye ( blood everywhere !!).

I'm going to be honest, this is scaring me immensely. I thought it was fine because nothing came back with the vet results and usually its not a big thing bothering her, only a momentary thing and the vet told me not to be bothered. It's scaring me a lot, because from what I'm seeing that this could cost thousands, that if I had I would gladly spend, but do not have. I genuinely hope it is not an aneurism, or anything that serious. My vet, which is one of the only herps I found nearby, charges me an arm and a leg just for a check up. I paid 400 in bills just for the blood work.



If it were due to an aneurism , the eyes would be bulging all the time , and likely getting worse over time.

I was $800 out of pocket for the Puff's surgery and no pet dragon at the end to show for it ( about 4 years ago ).
Same applies if there's a tumor or an abscess (the roof of the mouth or involving both eyesockets.

You say the eyes debulge ? …. that's very extreme temporary ?? behavioural eyebulging ?? .

Photos of her currently with eyebulging and when the bulging has subsided will help give clues .

I think a second opinion from another (independent) reptile vet is warranted.

Yes, it's extremely temporary and it has been like this for almost a year and a half now. It doesn't seem to get worse, its always really the same. Like I said, it lasts sometimes a minute, usually less. Especially under her lights, it seems to go away pretty fast compared to when shes laying in bed. It's never constant.
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Re: Eye problems

Postby KarrieRee » Mon Feb 22, 2021 4:37 pm

Lights what are you using for a UVB ? Brand and bulb and the basking bulb is it a bright basking bulb or off colored like yellowish ?
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Re: Eye problems

Postby Pest » Mon Feb 22, 2021 7:49 pm

KarrieRee wrote:Lights what are you using for a UVB ? Brand and bulb and the basking bulb is it a bright basking bulb or off colored like yellowish ?

I am using a t5 fluorescent uvb fixture with a kind of I guess yellow? Its a repti basking spot lamp 100 watts,
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Re: Eye problems

Postby Pest » Mon Feb 22, 2021 7:50 pm

Pest wrote:
KarrieRee wrote:Lights what are you using for a UVB ? Brand and bulb and the basking bulb is it a bright basking bulb or off colored like yellowish ?

I am using a t5 fluorescent uvb fixture with a kind of I guess yellow? Its a repti basking spot lamp 100 watts,

in the other forum, I posted a picture of her lights and set up you c an see the color there, I dont think its colored but? Also I can't figure out where to upload pictures, this is confusing. I have a bunch of photos to show and imgur doesnt allow me to upload more than one apparently.
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Re: Eye problems

Postby Pest » Mon Feb 22, 2021 7:53 pm

Pest wrote:
Pest wrote:
KarrieRee wrote:Lights what are you using for a UVB ? Brand and bulb and the basking bulb is it a bright basking bulb or off colored like yellowish ?

I am using a t5 fluorescent uvb fixture with a kind of I guess yellow? Its a repti basking spot lamp 100 watts,

in the other forum, I posted a picture of her lights and set up you c an see the color there, I dont think its colored but? Also I can't figure out where to upload pictures, this is confusing. I have a bunch of photos to show and imgur doesnt allow me to upload more than one apparently.

https://imgur.com/a/guRv0wJ
here, it kind of shows the process of how I caught it. It's usually back to normal fast
also during means when it first began
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Re: Eye problems

Postby kingofnobbys » Mon Feb 22, 2021 9:10 pm

Pest wrote:
Pest wrote:
KarrieRee wrote:Lights what are you using for a UVB ? Brand and bulb and the basking bulb is it a bright basking bulb or off colored like yellowish ?

I am using a t5 fluorescent uvb fixture with a kind of I guess yellow? Its a repti basking spot lamp 100 watts,

in the other forum, I posted a picture of her lights and set up you c an see the color there, I dont think its colored but? Also I can't figure out where to upload pictures, this is confusing. I have a bunch of photos to show and imgur doesnt allow me to upload more than one apparently.


Bugger imgur, upload the images one at a time to POSTIMAGE , save the file created in notepad , and then drop the codes in you post , select and click Img tab
code will look like
https://i.postimg.cc/fbD79LqY/PB010198.jpg
CBDs: Cleopatra & Caesar born 28Jan19.
Puff (RIP 10Dec15),Rex (RIP 16Mar17),Toothless (RIP 26Nov17).Peppa (RIP 22Mar19).
EBTSs : George & Mildred (born july 2010).
EWSs : , Fluffy (F) rescued injured by lawnwacker 14Nov17, Gutzy (F) rescued 27Sep19 - RIP 3Aug20 (est 12 yo), Wriggles (F) - injured rescue, over 8 yrs old, RIP 2Feb16 old age. Lucky juvenile (M) - cat attack rescue (lost r-eye, broken r-lower jaw), fatal SI RIP 21Jul2010.
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