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Re: Surgery

Postby Claudiusx » Sat Feb 15, 2020 6:56 pm

I would definitely get some form of imaging done before you elect for what is essentially exploratory surgery. I have extremely high doubts that your vet can "feel" enlarged ovaries. I don't understand why your vet would even be willing to do surgery without first imaging.

Imagine if you do pay for the imaging and find out she doesn't have what the vet is assuming. Then you just saved yourself a ton of money and saved your dragon from going through a risky procedure. At the least, it's an insurance policy.

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Re: Sick or Lazy?

Postby Claudiusx » Sat Feb 15, 2020 6:58 pm

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Re: Surgery

Postby RyuksMama » Sat Feb 15, 2020 6:58 pm

claudiusx wrote:I would definitely get some form of imaging done before you elect for what is essentially exploratory surgery. I have extremely high doubts that your vet can "feel" enlarged ovaries. I don't understand why your vet would even be willing to do surgery without first imaging.

Imagine if you do pay for the imaging and find out she doesn't have what the vet is assuming. Then you just saved yourself a ton of money and saved your dragon from going through a risky procedure. At the least, it's an insurance policy.

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I can only afford surgery or the image. Not both. So if I get the ultrasound and she needs surgery...I can’t get it for her...
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Re: Surgery

Postby RyuksMama » Sat Feb 15, 2020 7:04 pm

claudiusx wrote:I would definitely get some form of imaging done before you elect for what is essentially exploratory surgery. I have extremely high doubts that your vet can "feel" enlarged ovaries. I don't understand why your vet would even be willing to do surgery without first imaging.

Imagine if you do pay for the imaging and find out she doesn't have what the vet is assuming. Then you just saved yourself a ton of money and saved your dragon from going through a risky procedure. At the least, it's an insurance policy.

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My vet said she would really like imaging but if money is an issue (which it is) and we just to the surgery, it won’t hurt to spay her anyways so it doesn’t happen in the future. Basically she said even if it isn’t what she thinks it is they’re already in there and can figure out what’s going on as well as just going ahead and spaying her so it’s not a problem in the future
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Re: Sick or Lazy?

Postby Claudiusx » Sat Feb 15, 2020 7:05 pm

Well then you are taking a gamble.

Personally, I wouldn't do the surgery without the imaging. Especially since I don't believe Ryuk has follicular stasis.

Something you can do, since you thought Ryuk was a boy this whole time, can you post up a sexing picture like this:
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That way we can at least verify that Ryuk is a female.

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Re: Sick or Lazy?

Postby RyuksMama » Sat Feb 15, 2020 7:13 pm

claudiusx wrote:Well then you are taking a gamble.

Personally, I wouldn't do the surgery without the imaging. Especially since I don't believe Ryuk has follicular stasis.

Something you can do, since you thought Ryuk was a boy this whole time, can you post up a sexing picture like this:
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That way we can at least verify that Ryuk is a female.

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If she does have it and I don’t get the surgery done what happens?... I’m just scared and I’m at a loss for what to do....I don’t know whether to take your advice or to listen to the vet... I just don’t know. I really don’t know what to do. I’ll post some pictures of her.
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Re: Sick or Lazy?

Postby RyuksMama » Sat Feb 15, 2020 7:22 pm

claudiusx wrote:Well then you are taking a gamble.

Personally, I wouldn't do the surgery without the imaging. Especially since I don't believe Ryuk has follicular stasis.

Something you can do, since you thought Ryuk was a boy this whole time, can you post up a sexing picture like this:
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That way we can at least verify that Ryuk is a female.

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Re: Sick or Lazy?

Postby Claudiusx » Sat Feb 15, 2020 7:27 pm

Are you sure? I'm seeing the picture I posted just fine.

Well if you can't see it, just google "bearded dragon sexing" and look at how people take pictures of the tails arched backwards and up. And then upload a picture like that so we can see if Ryuk is a boy or girl.

If she has it and you don't get surgery, it can be fatal. However surgery can be fatal too, especially if your dragon is sick for another reason.
It's really your call, I'm just giving you what I would do personally.

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Re: Sick or Lazy?

Postby RyuksMama » Sat Feb 15, 2020 7:42 pm

Are you sure? I'm seeing the picture I posted just fine.

Well if you can't see it, just google "bearded dragon sexing" and look at how people take pictures of the tails arched backwards and up. And then upload a picture like that so we can see if Ryuk is a boy or girl.

If she has it and you don't get surgery, it can be fatal. However surgery can be fatal too, especially if your dragon is sick for another reason.
It's really your call, I'm just giving you what I would do personally.

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Here are some pictures. The doctor said she seems very healthy. Just as a run down, symptoms are very smelly poop, kind of watery, not as active except to eat, hasnt shed in months, but she isn’t thin, her abdomen isn’t extended or bloated, she eats fine, goes to the bathroom regularly and according to the vet was a very healthy weight and size but her fat pats were a little small.
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Re: Sick or Lazy?

Postby RyuksMama » Sat Feb 15, 2020 7:44 pm

claudiusx wrote:Are you sure? I'm seeing the picture I posted just fine.

Well if you can't see it, just google "bearded dragon sexing" and look at how people take pictures of the tails arched backwards and up. And then upload a picture like that so we can see if Ryuk is a boy or girl.

If she has it and you don't get surgery, it can be fatal. However surgery can be fatal too, especially if your dragon is sick for another reason.
It's really your call, I'm just giving you what I would do personally.

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She doesn’t seem critically sick. Just like maybe something is bothering her. If it was folicular stasis doesn’t that often show much more serious problems such as not eating, lack of alertness, extended abdomen etc?
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Re: Sick or Lazy?

Postby Claudiusx » Sat Feb 15, 2020 7:58 pm

Based on that last picture, Ryuk is a Male......

Can you post another one like the last but maybe with different lighting? The flash kinda washes out ther shadowing we are looking for.

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Re: Sick or Lazy?

Postby RyuksMama » Sat Feb 15, 2020 8:26 pm

claudiusx wrote:Based on that last picture, Ryuk is a Male......

Can you post another one like the last but maybe with different lighting? The flash kinda washes out ther shadowing we are looking for.

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I’ve seen the sexing pictures before, to me honestly it looks more like a plate shape at the base of the tail, no oval shapes on the side at all. I have never known what the sex is. Simply Called it male because I wanted it to be. It wasn’t any sort of guess by any means.
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Re: Sick or Lazy?

Postby RyuksMama » Sat Feb 15, 2020 8:31 pm

claudiusx wrote:Based on that last picture, Ryuk is a Male......

Can you post another one like the last but maybe with different lighting? The flash kinda washes out ther shadowing we are looking for.

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The flashlight test also shows what looks to me to be a female.
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Re: Sick or Lazy?

Postby Claudiusx » Sat Feb 15, 2020 8:35 pm

Can you get a picture doing the flashlight method?

Sometimes it's hard to tell over pictures. If you think she is female though based on what you see that's probably good enough. It's just in that one picture I definitely see shadowing of two hemipenes

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Re: Sick or Lazy?

Postby RyuksMama » Sat Feb 15, 2020 8:36 pm

claudiusx wrote:Can you get a picture doing the flashlight method?

Sometimes it's hard to tell over pictures. If you think she is female though based on what you see that's probably good enough. It's just in that one picture I definitely see shadowing of two hemipenes

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