4 month old beardie broken ankle. Any advice please???

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Re: 4 month old beardie broken ankle. Any advice please???

Postby emily92 » Thu Feb 13, 2020 12:12 pm

Yep I’ve always given him water that way, while also leaving a water dish in his terrarium to drink/walk in
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Re: 4 month old beardie broken ankle. Any advice please???

Postby emily92 » Thu Feb 13, 2020 4:36 pm

Took him to the vet today. After looking into it more, he told me what I figured all along, Spyro has gout 😭. He now has swelling in the joints in his front and back legs, and is starting to have limited mobility in one of his front legs. They are going to make an allopurinol compound tomorrow to get it diluted enough for his size and start it ASAP. Also have to replace as much animal protein as I can with vegetable protein. Which is going to be hard because Spyro LOVES his crickets. I’m somewhat hopeful he might be ok since they’re willing to formulate a medication to treat what he has. But I know the end result if it doesn’t work.... I just want my little buddy to pull thru. He’s one of the most amazing and affectionate (in his own ways) pet that I’ve had. If anyone has any tips on dealing with gout, I could use all the help I can get
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Re: 4 month old beardie broken ankle. Any advice please???

Postby AHBD » Thu Feb 13, 2020 5:43 pm

Poor little dude. :( Hopefully the meds. will help out and this can turn around to be manageable. Cherry extract would be good as Tracie mentioned, too. He will still need protein because he's a young juvenile so crickets will still be part of his diet. Try smoothies as well with a variety of greens as well as green beans. I'm sure Tracie will have some suggestions for you. I do wish you + Spyro the best, hang in there !
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Re: 4 month old beardie broken ankle. Any advice please???

Postby claudiusx » Thu Feb 13, 2020 6:04 pm

Make sure you are giving him extra hydration too. Extra hydration helps flush excess UA from the system, which will help stop more crystals from developing.

Usually the Allo works very well, and pretty quickly too. Did/is the vet going to do any bloodwork to check the effectiveness of his dosing? A before and after would be ideal IMO. But maybe not necessary.

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Re: 4 month old beardie broken ankle. Any advice please???

Postby emily92 » Thu Feb 13, 2020 6:25 pm

He hasn’t done bloodwork, he didn’t think he’d be able to draw up much to test since he’s on the small side for his age. But he is consistently growing, I just ordered cherry extract and cranberry, switched his pellet food to the one I have that has all soy protein and has lots of greens in it too. I’ve always been a little ocd with his hydration and have given him water from a medicine dropper so he’s staying very hydrated. I just hope we caught it just in time so the allopurinol can work
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Re: 4 month old beardie broken ankle. Any advice please???

Postby Drache613 » Fri Feb 14, 2020 12:30 am

Hello,

Oh no, I was so afraid of that, I am so sorry.
At least however, your vet did prescribe allopurinol for you. Is he starting him on the upper
echelon of doses, 20mg/kg? He is too small for a blood draw, but his symptoms definitely
are telling. I hope too much renal damage was done with all of the antibiotics that were already
given.
I have a lot of experience with gout on beardies. The most difficult part is that he is still young &
growing so he needs his protein. Try to keep his protein at a minimum if possible. Crickets are
a lot better than dubias so that's good he is eating those. Alfalfa leaf/powder is a very good non-
purine source of protein you could supplement for him. You are using pellets that have soy in them,
correct? If so, I hate to have to tell you this, but I would highly recommend avoiding all products
that contain especially soy or corn products due to genetically modified organisms. They are very
harmful to the organs of people & animals alike & will contribute to organ problems & possible
failure of them. I would look for organic foods only to avoid gmo & pesticide ingestion for him.
The cherry juice is helpful in combination with the allopurinol, to be used daily.
You can make him nutritional slurries out of fresh greens, squash, baby foods, etc also.

Let us know how Spyro is doing.
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Re: 4 month old beardie broken ankle. Any advice please???

Postby emily92 » Fri Feb 14, 2020 8:48 am

Thank you for the tip on the soy foods. I found a pellet food with no corn or soy that is made for optimal absorption and digestion. Spyro’s ankle initially started swelling after I gave him dubia roaches for the first and last time l, so now that makes sense. I’m not sure the exact dose they’re starting him on, I’ll find out once the compound is done

Spyro sure is grumpy that I’ve drastically cut back on how many crickets he gets. He could easily devour about 10-14 in one feeding. Now I’m giving him 5. If you could imagine the grumpy cat face on a bearded dragon, that’s the look he has lol.

We’re starting the allopurinol treatment today, along with the black cherry extract. Hopefully he has some improvement soon. I didn’t realize how painful it is for them. Any ideas on how to relieve his pain? I know medicines wouldn’t be good for his kidneys
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Re: 4 month old beardie broken ankle. Any advice please???

Postby kingofnobbys » Fri Feb 14, 2020 9:04 am

emily92 wrote:Thank you for the tip on the soy foods. I found a pellet food with no corn or soy that is made for optimal absorption and digestion. Spyro’s ankle initially started swelling after I gave him dubia roaches for the first and last time l, so now that makes sense. I’m not sure the exact dose they’re starting him on, I’ll find out once the compound is done

Spyro sure is grumpy that I’ve drastically cut back on how many crickets he gets. He could easily devour about 10-14 in one feeding. Now I’m giving him 5. If you could imagine the grumpy cat face on a bearded dragon, that’s the look he has lol.

We’re starting the allopurinol treatment today, along with the black cherry extract. Hopefully he has some improvement soon. I didn’t realize how painful it is for them. Any ideas on how to relieve his pain? I know medicines wouldn’t be good for his kidneys


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Re: 4 month old beardie broken ankle. Any advice please???

Postby Drache613 » Sun Feb 16, 2020 12:56 am

Hello,

That is really good to hear you are starting him on the allopurinol so quickly, I hope that
it helps him out. Continue the black cherry juice too, it will work well in conjunction together.
If you wanted to consider getting some serrapeptase, which is silkworm enzyme, to help
with his pain it is pretty effective. It is a safe & natural alternative for pain relief that can be
used long term.
I'm sure that he's not thrilled about being cut off from so many bugs, bless him.
How is he doing today?

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