Juvenile beardie refuses to eat, getting skinny. please help

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Juvenile beardie refuses to eat, getting skinny. please help

Postby PathfinderMom91 » Tue Nov 05, 2019 7:21 am

Hello!
I bought a bearded dragon about 3 weeks ago. At first he was eating about 4-5 small crickets a day, he would not eat any more after that. Over the past week he stopped eating completely. He just ignores his food. He stays under the basking lamp and uvb all day. The temp is currently within the 100-110 degree range. I also keep collard greens in his tank at all times just in case he miraculously wants to eat. I’ve tried using tongs to entice him to eat crickets, even mealworms and he doesn’t want to eat. I don’t know what else to do.

We currently have a 10.0 uvb light in the same area of the tank as the basking light. He’s in a 75 gallon tank.
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Re: Juvenile beardie refuses to eat, getting skinny.

Postby VingamSecuris » Tue Nov 05, 2019 8:12 am

Hi there!

Is he shedding? Shedding tends to irritate them and cause them to not eat- although it's safe to assume this isn't the issue, it's always a possibility.

Edit: Does your beardie display any signs of discomfort like a black beard? (Stress marks are fairly common with young-yins since they're little guys who are in a big world.)

You've probably read around and seen this suggestion for a beardie who isn't eating, and think it's kind of gross, but if you squish a feeder bug and rub a little bit of the guts on its nose, it could entice the beardie to eat, similar to tempting someone with a good-smelling pie or other great-tasting things.

Please let us know how they're doing!

Thanks,

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Re: Juvenile beardie refuses to eat, getting skinny.

Postby Claudiusx » Tue Nov 05, 2019 8:28 am

Hi there,

Could you post a picture of him and of your setup?

That is quite the range for the basking surface temp. What are you using to measure your temperatures with? Temperatures play a direct role in appetite, so let's make sure that's all set first :)

Your uvb light, is it a long tube or a compact that screws into a standard light socket?

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Re: Juvenile beardie refuses to eat, getting skinny.

Postby PathfinderMom91 » Tue Nov 05, 2019 11:05 am

VingamSecuris wrote:Hi there!

Is he shedding? Shedding tends to irritate them and cause them to not eat- although it's safe to assume this isn't the issue, it's always a possibility.

Edit: Does your beardie display any signs of discomfort like a black beard? (Stress marks are fairly common with young-yins since they're little guys who are in a big world.)

You've probably read around and seen this suggestion for a beardie who isn't eating, and think it's kind of gross, but if you squish a feeder bug and rub a little bit of the guts on its nose, it could entice the beardie to eat, similar to tempting someone with a good-smelling pie or other great-tasting things.

Please let us know how they're doing!

Thanks,

Vinny


Hello Vinny!

My beardie just finished shedding his tail when we first got him. I tried feeding him some mealworms when we first got him but he didn’t want them. Now we got crickets and he only ate a couple and now doesn’t eat. I’ve rubbed a freshly squashed cricket in his face with tweezers, he just closes his eyes.
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Re: Juvenile beardie refuses to eat, getting skinny.

Postby PathfinderMom91 » Tue Nov 05, 2019 11:09 am

claudiusx wrote:Hi there,

Could you post a picture of him and of your setup?

That is quite the range for the basking surface temp. What are you using to measure your temperatures with? Temperatures play a direct role in appetite, so let's make sure that's all set first :)

Your uvb light, is it a long tube or a compact that screws into a standard light socket?

-Brandon


I don’t really know how to post a pic on here. I’m checking temps with a zoomed digital thermometer. I place the end of the cord on his basking rock and that usually ranges from 100-110. We did have a coil uvb light 10.0 but we are switching it today to a tube.
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Re: Juvenile beardie refuses to eat, getting skinny.

Postby PathfinderMom91 » Tue Nov 05, 2019 12:16 pm

I found out how to post a pic. Below are pics of Pathfinder and also his current tank setup. We got the Zilla slimelime 50uvb t8 fluorescent fixture. He usually has some water and food bowls and another hiding rock, but I took them out so he can find the crickets better.

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Re: Juvenile beardie refuses to eat, getting skinny. please

Postby Markspez1974 » Wed Nov 06, 2019 9:35 am

Hi I'm in a similar position at the moment would interested to hear some things to try.
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Re: Juvenile beardie refuses to eat, getting skinny. please

Postby PathfinderMom91 » Wed Nov 06, 2019 9:51 am

Markspez1974 wrote:Hi I'm in a similar position at the moment would interested to hear some things to try.


Sorry you’re going through this too. It’s heartbreaking and frustrating because he’ll zone in on a cricket and then completely ignore it. Is your beardie basking all day? Mine is. His basking temp is at 115 and he still won’t move from there much.
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Postby Claudiusx » Wed Nov 06, 2019 10:15 am

Hi there,

In the picture the probe is suction cupped to the glass. Did you let the probe rest on the actual basking surface to get your reading?

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Re: Juvenile beardie refuses to eat, getting skinny. please

Postby Markspez1974 » Wed Nov 06, 2019 10:20 am

PathfinderMom91 wrote:
Markspez1974 wrote:Hi I'm in a similar position at the moment would interested to hear some things to try.


Sorry you’re going through this too. It’s heartbreaking and frustrating because he’ll zone in on a cricket and then completely ignore it. Is your beardie basking all day? Mine is. His basking temp is at 115 and he still won’t move from there much.


Yes it horrible to see them not eating, yes mine basks a lot, but sometimes has a little walk/run around. Tonight just turning its nose up at crickets on tongs and if in seperate container with lose crickets, just tries climbing the sides not interested in crickets, I do put couple drops of water on the top lip.
Also try a mist occasionally
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Re: Juvenile beardie refuses to eat, getting skinny. please

Postby PathfinderMom91 » Wed Nov 06, 2019 10:43 am

claudiusx wrote:Hi there,

In the picture the probe is suction cupped to the glass. Did you let the probe rest on the actual basking surface to get your reading?

-Brandon


Hello!
I normally rest the probe on the basking spot. I just put it up if there are crickets so they don’t use it to escape. Today I lowered the basking lamp a bit and left it there for an hour, temp was 115. He didn’t seem to care. Should I let him stay that hot?
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Re: Juvenile beardie refuses to eat, getting skinny. please

Postby PathfinderMom91 » Wed Nov 06, 2019 10:52 am

Markspez1974 wrote:
PathfinderMom91 wrote:
Markspez1974 wrote:Hi I'm in a similar position at the moment would interested to hear some things to try.


Sorry you’re going through this too. It’s heartbreaking and frustrating because he’ll zone in on a cricket and then completely ignore it. Is your beardie basking all day? Mine is. His basking temp is at 115 and he still won’t move from there much.


Yes it horrible to see them not eating, yes mine basks a lot, but sometimes has a little walk/run around. Tonight just turning its nose up at crickets on tongs and if in seperate container with lose crickets, just tries climbing the sides not interested in crickets, I do put couple drops of water on the top lip.
Also try a mist occasionally


How long have you had yours? We got him for our kids. I’d hate for him to pass away. We would be devastated. I give mine a bath maybe once a week. He drinks water at that time. Should I be misting him too? He doesn’t pay attention to his water bowl.
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Re: Juvenile beardie refuses to eat, getting skinny. please

Postby Markspez1974 » Wed Nov 06, 2019 11:22 am

PathfinderMom91 wrote:
Markspez1974 wrote:
PathfinderMom91 wrote:
Markspez1974 wrote:Hi I'm in a similar position at the moment would interested to hear some things to try.


Sorry you’re going through this too. It’s heartbreaking and frustrating because he’ll zone in on a cricket and then completely ignore it. Is your beardie basking all day? Mine is. His basking temp is at 115 and he still won’t move from there much.


Yes it horrible to see them not eating, yes mine basks a lot, but sometimes has a little walk/run around. Tonight just turning its nose up at crickets on tongs and if in seperate container with lose crickets, just tries climbing the sides not interested in crickets, I do put couple drops of water on the top lip.
Also try a mist occasionally


How long have you had yours? We got him for our kids. I’d hate for him to pass away. We would be devastated. I give mine a bath maybe once a week. He drinks water at that time. Should I be misting him too? He doesn’t pay attention to his water bowl.


I've only had mine for 5 days, yes I'd be gutted if they get serious health issues, I've not tried a bath yet. I only misted them because they show no interest in the water bowl, they then perk up and have a little run around the terrarium.
I've put about my story so far on the introductions part of the forum if you want to look. Mine is a similar size to yours, so on the very slim side, although I was going to pick the biggest of the same hatch, but my boys wanted the little guy to build him up, but with relocation stress I'm just worried it's going to be too much with the lack of eating.
Just so frustrating when you hold a cricket there and it just looks away when you know it's what they need to feed up.
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Re: Juvenile beardie refuses to eat, getting skinny. please

Postby AHBD » Wed Nov 06, 2019 12:51 pm

Hi there, sorry that your cute little dude is not well. He [ or she ] is a leatherback BTW. Where did you get him ? So a couple of important things..... I know that your uvb is a Reptisun 10.0 but is it a t5 or a t8 ? It's very important because a t8 would not provide uvb from that far, and a t5 would just barely or possibly not either. Look on the side of the bulb if you don't know, it will have the numbers. I would also suggest putting him in a little " hospital " set up. It's just a small or medium plastic storage tote like I have in these pics :
https://www.beardeddragon.org/useruploa ... _large.jpg

Being in a smaller set up will allow the uvb + heat to both be closer and for him to not feel so stressed in such a large tank. I raised loads of babies in this type of set up for years. The heat bulb may need to be a smaller watt type though since it's making your 75 gallon over 100F at the basking spot. I would set him up like that ASAP.

Parasites are another possibility but I would try the smaller tank so he gets more uvb for a while to see if he does better. One more Q, what size crickets was he eating and did he poo regularly ?
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Postby PathfinderMom91 » Wed Nov 06, 2019 1:21 pm

AHBD wrote:Hi there, sorry that your cute little dude is not well. He [ or she ] is a leatherback BTW. Where did you get him ? So a couple of important things..... I know that your uvb is a Reptisun 10.0 but is it a t5 or a t8 ? It's very important because a t8 would not provide uvb from that far, and a t5 would just barely or possibly not either. Look on the side of the bulb if you don't know, it will have the numbers. I would also suggest putting him in a little " hospital " set up. It's just a small or medium plastic storage tote like I have in these pics :
https://www.beardeddragon.org/useruploa ... _large.jpg

Being in a smaller set up will allow the uvb + heat to both be closer and for him to not feel so stressed in such a large tank. I raised loads of babies in this type of set up for years. The heat bulb may need to be a smaller watt type though since it's making your 75 gallon over 100F at the basking spot. I would set him up like that ASAP.

Parasites are another possibility but I would try the smaller tank so he gets more uvb for a while to see if he does better. One more Q, what size crickets was he eating and did he poo regularly ?


Thank you so much!
I looked at the bulb and it says 15 watt T8 BP Desert 50. I got him at my local PetSmart. We are giving him small crickets. The same as they were feeding him in the store. He has been pooping everyday, it’s quite watery now with little to no white part. I don’t have a smaller tank at the moment, could I perch him up higher to the uvb? I do have a critter keeper carrier but he hates being in there.
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