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Roof of mouth possibly damaged hence why he isnt eating?

PostPosted: Mon Oct 28, 2019 8:12 am
by Finnhall1
my beardie hasnt been eating for something like 2 months now, i know hes not slowing for brumation cause hes active pretty much all day, however he has this thing on the roof of his mouth and was wondering if that could be contributing to him not eating, id also like to know if it is damaged how can i fix it
https://imgur.com/a/r1uoRWT
Any help appreciated, many thanks

Re: Roof of mouth possibly damaged hence why he isnt eating?

PostPosted: Mon Oct 28, 2019 11:39 am
by AHBD
Hi there, that's a part of the mouth we don't often see but it doesn't look out of the ordinary. What type of lights do you have + how old is the uvb ? There may be some other reason for his lack of appetite. Is his weight good ? Can you post a full body pic of him and one of his tank ?

Re: Roof of mouth possibly damaged hence why he isnt eating?

PostPosted: Mon Oct 28, 2019 12:14 pm
by Finnhall1
AHBD wrote:Hi there, that's a part of the mouth we don't often see but it doesn't look out of the ordinary. What type of lights do you have + how old is the uvb ? There may be some other reason for his lack of appetite. Is his weight good ? Can you post a full body pic of him and one of his tank ?

Uvb, 10% i think? Its exo terra, i hve an 100watt heat bulb that keeps hot side around 110 and cool side around 80 (freddie does regularly thermo regulate) and he is basking the uvb is only about 2-3 months old here are the pics
https://imgur.com/a/dQ3vq7E

Re: Roof of mouth possibly damaged hence why he isnt eating?

PostPosted: Mon Oct 28, 2019 12:17 pm
by Finnhall1
AHBD wrote:Hi there, that's a part of the mouth we don't often see but it doesn't look out of the ordinary. What type of lights do you have + how old is the uvb ? There may be some other reason for his lack of appetite. Is his weight good ? Can you post a full body pic of him and one of his tank ?

Also am i right to be syringe feeding him?

Re: Roof of mouth possibly damaged hence why he isnt eating?

PostPosted: Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:36 pm
by CooperDragon
If he is active and not losing weight I probably wouldn't syringe feed him since he may become less accustomed to hunting down his own food and syringe feeding can be stressful sometimes. I tend to save that for a later option. I'm not sure about the area on the roof of his mouth either though. I'd keep a close eye on the reddish area and see if it expands or starts to look wounded. If not, then it is likely just some tissue that we aren't accustomed to seeing.

Re: Roof of mouth possibly damaged hence why he isnt eating?

PostPosted: Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:40 pm
by AHBD
Very nice set up and he looks very healthy. :) When did you begin to syringe feed him ? It could be keeping him full and unmotivated to go for insects like Cooper mentioned. You want to be sure about what uvb bulb you have, how old it is and where it's positioned. Is it on top of the screen or mounted in the tank ? BTW, here's a similar thread :
viewtopic.php?f=6&t=234358

Re: Roof of mouth possibly damaged hence why he isnt eating?

PostPosted: Mon Oct 28, 2019 6:07 pm
by kingofnobbys
Finnhall1 wrote:
AHBD wrote:Hi there, that's a part of the mouth we don't often see but it doesn't look out of the ordinary. What type of lights do you have + how old is the uvb ? There may be some other reason for his lack of appetite. Is his weight good ? Can you post a full body pic of him and one of his tank ?

Uvb, 10% i think? Its exo terra, i hve an 100watt heat bulb that keeps hot side around 110 and cool side around 80 (freddie does regularly thermo regulate) and he is basking the uvb is only about 2-3 months old here are the pics
https://imgur.com/a/dQ3vq7E


the 10% UVB is a linear tube from the looks of the glow caste. Is it a t8 (1" diam) or a t5ho (5/8" diam) tube ?
in a reflector hood ?

appears to be above the (mesh ?) lid . I'd move it under , this will result in an instant increase in UVA ( effects appetite ) and UVB of more than 200%.

How far from the basking spot to the UVB tube ? (vertical distance).

How old is the UVB tube ? if it's over 6 months old , I'd replace it. Irrespective , if you know off someone who has a Solarmeter , I'd have the tube output checked as there are some dodgey 10% tubes around ( Zoo Med brand that have poor phosphors and decay too fast).
(Consider going to an arcadia 12% or 14% tube - these are much better UVB sources than anything else available).

Diet and feeding schedule . Outline.
I'd be considering handfeeding (crickets, roaches, BSFL all lend themselves to handfeeding very easily , softer insects are more problematic).
Consider getting some HERPABOOST or Oxbow predator critical care to help get the dragon's metabolism going again (given daily orally in measured doses according the dragon's body weight).

If it's not been eating much for so long, ramp up slowly with protein , else you risk overloading it's renal system that is likely compromised at the moment.... vet advise is advisable here .
age of the dragon ? (looks like a juvenile ( under 9 months old ?? ), so it's very important it get's insect protein and calcium DAILY , at least one good meal per day , else it wont grow and it'll likely develop MBD ).

have you been keeping an eye on it's bodyweight ? can you show the records for over the last 3 months.

Re: Roof of mouth possibly damaged hence why he isnt eating?

PostPosted: Mon Oct 28, 2019 11:35 pm
by Finnhall1
kingofnobbys wrote:
Finnhall1 wrote:
AHBD wrote:Hi there, that's a part of the mouth we don't often see but it doesn't look out of the ordinary. What type of lights do you have + how old is the uvb ? There may be some other reason for his lack of appetite. Is his weight good ? Can you post a full body pic of him and one of his tank ?

Uvb, 10% i think? Its exo terra, i hve an 100watt heat bulb that keeps hot side around 110 and cool side around 80 (freddie does regularly thermo regulate) and he is basking the uvb is only about 2-3 months old here are the pics
https://imgur.com/a/dQ3vq7E


the 10% UVB is a linear tube from the looks of the glow caste. Is it a t8 (1" diam) or a t5ho (5/8" diam) tube ?
in a reflector hood ?

appears to be above the (mesh ?) lid . I'd move it under , this will result in an instant increase in UVA ( effects appetite ) and UVB of more than 200%.

How far from the basking spot to the UVB tube ? (vertical distance).

How old is the UVB tube ? if it's over 6 months old , I'd replace it. Irrespective , if you know off someone who has a Solarmeter , I'd have the tube output checked as there are some dodgey 10% tubes around ( Zoo Med brand that have poor phosphors and decay too fast).
(Consider going to an arcadia 12% or 14% tube - these are much better UVB sources than anything else available).

Diet and feeding schedule . Outline.
I'd be considering handfeeding (crickets, roaches, BSFL all lend themselves to handfeeding very easily , softer insects are more problematic).
Consider getting some HERPABOOST or Oxbow predator critical care to help get the dragon's metabolism going again (given daily orally in measured doses according the dragon's body weight).

If it's not been eating much for so long, ramp up slowly with protein , else you risk overloading it's renal system that is likely compromised at the moment.... vet advise is advisable here .
age of the dragon ? (looks like a juvenile ( under 9 months old ?? ), so it's very important it get's insect protein and calcium DAILY , at least one good meal per day , else it wont grow and it'll likely develop MBD ).

have you been keeping an eye on it's bodyweight ? can you show the records for over the last 3 months.

I havent been keeping record for the last three months, my last record was back in april, he weighs 350 grams and he is definitely a year old, is this a sign of stunting? Aka if hes small is that permanant The uvb bulb is screwed into the top of a wooden vivarium