Bearded Dragon weak front legs, can't walk properly!

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melfern92

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Hello everyone, help please!

I have a year and a half old male bearded dragon named Grunbeld. From one day to the next he went from healthy to unable to carry his weight while walking. Mainly he seems to shuffle and use his back legs to push himself along the floor while his front legs shake and cant lift him up. I took him to the vet yesterday where they did a blood test, xray, and fecal exam and all came back normal. No calcium deficiency, no broken bones, no parasites or worms. The vet prescribed some antibiotics and anti-inflammatory just in case but they have no idea why he is having these symptoms and it has us really worried. He also refuses to eat any worms or veggies so we are feeding him a food supplement for omnivores by syringe that the vet gave us as well.

As for his husbandry we use a Reptisun 10.0 UBV bulb that I just recently replaced 2 months ago, tile flooring, and temps go from 105F hottest, 85F coolest.
Diet is superworms 2-3 times a week and collard greens and escarole for veggies sometimes with butternut squash and blueberries rarely as a treat. In general he doesn't like eating his veggies at all, usually I have to dangle them in front of him to have just a few bites. I dust the worms with reptical without D3 every time except once a week where I do reptical with D3 and a multivitamin.
I usually give him baths 2-3 times a week but I have started doing it daily these past few days just in case he is dehydrated and to try to encourage him to eat.

He has recently pooped just yesterday so there is no impaction and with the blood tests calcium levels being normal they say its not MBD. Does anyone have an idea of what this could be? I hear a vitamin B-1 deficiency can look similar but the vet insists its not that. Any help or advice would be greatly appreciated!
 

AHBD

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Hi there, sorry to hear about Grunbeld. It is almost certainly calcium related, calcium levels may vary wildly on blood tests so that is not an accurate way to diagnose. He should not be on antibiotics " just in case ", this is very harmful and bad practice. He probably needed D3 more often , especially if his uvb is a t8 rather than a t5.

Post some pics of his set up, showing the distance of the uvb from the basking spot . Here's how :


https://www.beardeddragon.org/useruploads/ Then use the XIMG to upload

If you can, post a video if him walking.
It may be that your uvb needs to be mounted inside the tank if it isn't already and you will need to increase the D3 in his diet. Getting him in the sun [ not in a glass tank but just in the grass itself ] may help also. I know this must be hard for you to see happen, hopefully he can recover some mobility.
 

melfern92

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I had no idea that was a bad practice, we will stop with the antibiotic, should I still use the anti-inflammatory as well? We do have his UVB bulb mounted inside the tank roughly 8-10 inches from his basking spot I will take a photo of his tank and a video of him walking when I get home today

What would be the best way to get him to eat the D3 in the meantime? Mix it with the food supplement the vet gave us?

Thank you for replying so fast! It is really hard seeing him like this so any way to get him on the road to recovery as fast as possible is really appreciated.
 

AHBD

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Yes, you can mix it in with his supplement and hopefully he likes it. A vitamin B deficiency can cause neurological problems so maybe get a good reptile vitamin as well.
 

AHBD

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Well he's doing better than I thought , he still is able to move his front legs but there may be a problem with his motor skills. BTW, are you positive that it's a male ? Please don't be insulted for my asking , lots of owners have thought they had a male until " he " laid eggs . :) If you want to be sure, post pics of his tail arched high in the air like in these pics :

https://pets.stackexchange.com/questions/5923/how-do-i-tell-the-sex-of-a-bearded-dragon


He is a nice looking dragon, a bit on the heavy side though so he can afford to lose weight. Some dragons will stop eating because they are mature + getting too heavy so their body tells them they don't need more fuel but have plenty of body mass as reserves. Still, you don't want him to be sick. Your set up looks good, you obviously care a lot for your big boy. :) I'm not sure how much uvb is projected outward so unless he stays right under the bulb he may not be getting enough. If you mount it under the screen with a reflector it might do better shining from the top.
 

Drache613

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Hello,

Sorry Grunbeld is having some trouble. His body condition looks good but does have some
arm weakness.
I agree, it is probably going to be calcium related. Blood tests help with a baseline but,
unless an ionized calcium test was done, they don't know the D3 status which is stored. There
are certain levels that have to be kept up & if they fall too much the body starts to leach from
the bones to stabilize blood calcium levels. This can go on for awhile, until weakness starts to
show. Do you have a copy of the blood tests?
I would also recommend mounting the UVB tube directly overhead as suggested. Mounting it
on the back wall allows the UVB to refract without any direction, so it wont direct downward
onto your dragon. Most of it is actually wasted. A good light fixture with a reflector would
help out greatly, & mounted directly overhead & underneath of the screen so he gets full
exposure. He probably is just not absorbing enough calcium if he isn't getting enough UVB.

Let us know how he is doing.

Tracie
 

melfern92

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Thank you all for your concern. An update on Grunbeld he is still the same weak in the arms but alert. I took him for a second opinion at a different vet and they said the blood test the first vet did don't give enough information just like everyone has been saying on this forum, also when he looked at the xray he said that his front arms look questionable and that his body could be taking the calcium he needs from there. He is doing a CBC and Ionized Calcium test and also testing for the Adenovirus. The vet thinks that if it is not calcium related it could be the virus showing itself which has me extremely worried :( . He also gave us some calcium syrup to give him once a day for now until the test results come back in on Monday.

We are taking everyone's advice and getting a UVB mount that will go overhead with reflectors, we also are going to replace it with a T5 bulb instead. This was the mount we are planning on getting https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00AQU8F2O/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s01?ie=UTF8&psc=1 is this one ok? Or do you recommend another?

I don't have the test results from the first vet, they never released it to me but I will update everyone once I get the results from the second vet. Also, when I first got him the vet said that he was a boy after doing the test you linked but here is a photo
100887-3593566646.jpg
, I hope the lighting is ok to tell if not I can try another tomorrow.

Thank you all!
 

AHBD

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It's good that you're getting the new light + mounting it from above, that may help along with the calcium. And in that pic it does look female. Can you bother the poor creature to take just a few more with the tail arched just a tad bit more ?


I do hope it's not ADV, even if he/she has it they can live for years. The leg weakness I still think is calcium related.
 

Drache613

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Hello,

Grunbeld does appear to be female! A few more pics would help.
I am glad to hear that you are going to be upgrading to the T5 & you will be placing it
directly overhead, too. Hopefully, that will help with any calcium issues that may be
present.
Great, an ionized calcium test would really be helpful, more accurate for testing the
calcium levels. Hopefully it wont be Adenovirus. The liquid calcium should work to get
his levels up.

Keep us posted on him.
Tracie
 

kingofnobbys

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melfern92":6ovizesh said:
Hello everyone, help please!

I have a year and a half old male bearded dragon named Grunbeld. From one day to the next he went from healthy to unable to carry his weight while walking. Mainly he seems to shuffle and use his back legs to push himself along the floor while his front legs shake and cant lift him up. I took him to the vet yesterday where they did a blood test, xray, and fecal exam and all came back normal. No calcium deficiency, no broken bones, no parasites or worms. The vet prescribed some antibiotics and anti-inflammatory just in case but they have no idea why he is having these symptoms and it has us really worried. He also refuses to eat any worms or veggies so we are feeding him a food supplement for omnivores by syringe that the vet gave us as well.

<<< is the vet a REPTILE SPECIALIST or just an exotics or general vet ?…. it makes a huge difference.

As for his husbandry we use a Reptisun 10.0 UBV bulb

>> T8 tube ?
>> or T5HO tube ?

that I just recently replaced 2 months ago, tile flooring, and temps go from 105F hottest, 85F coolest.
Diet is superworms 2-3 times a week and collard greens and escarole for veggies sometimes with butternut squash and blueberries rarely as a treat. In general he doesn't like eating his veggies at all, usually I have to dangle them in front of him to have just a few bites. I dust the worms with reptical without D3 every time except once a week where I do reptical with D3 and a multivitamin.
I usually give him baths 2-3 times a week but I have started doing it daily these past few days just in case he is dehydrated and to try to encourage him to eat.
<<<< daily baths WILL NOT hydrate a bearded dragon UNLESS the dragon actually drinks the bath water …. so I'd cut the baths , only bathe him IF he enjoys the experience or it's necessary for some other reason.

He has recently pooped just yesterday so there is no impaction and with the blood tests calcium levels being normal they say its not MBD. Does anyone have an idea of what this could be? I hear a vitamin B-1 deficiency can look similar but the vet insists its not that. Any help or advice would be greatly appreciated!

Have they considered , tested for Vitamin Toxicity / Hypervitaminosis ? …. you may have inadvertently overdosed your dragon with D3 or A , did the vet test for vitamin levels in the blood ?
 

melfern92

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Ok here is a better photo, and watching the video posted above I do believe Grunbeld is a female as well!
100908-231155959.jpg
I guess I have a big girl? haha

The first vet was just an exotics vet, while the second one I went to yesterday was a reptile specialist. So I am hoping to hear a more detailed response from him once I get the test results back on Monday.

I was originally purchasing the T8 model not the T5, so I purchased a new T5 and will be mounting it overhead. Also, the second vet is doing a full reptile blood test sent to a lab, so that should include vitamin levels as well.

Also he?she? seems to be doing slightly better today, climbed up some blankets with difficulty but successfully so I am hopeful its not the Adenovirus and just the calcium levels.
 
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